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Setting (p. 52). The paper defines f(n)f(n) as the largest integer such that any set of nn points in the plane, no three on a line, contains at least f(n)f(n) convex subsets, a question it says it raised with J. Hammer. It thinks an exact formula for f(n)f(n) unlikely.

Inequality 2 (pp. 52--53). The paper proves that there are two constants c1c_1 and c2c_2 such that

nc1log⁡n<f(n)<nc2log⁡n.n^{c_1\log n}<f(n)<n^{c_2\log n}.

The print states no range of nn for (2).

Input (p. 53). Both bounds rest on the Erdős-Szekeres bounds for mkm_k, the smallest integer such that any mkm_k points, no three on a line, contain the vertices of a convex kk-gon, which the paper states as its inequality (3), saying Szekeres and Erdős proved it; its reference list gives their papers in Compositio Math. 2 (1935) and Ann. Univ. Sci. Budapest 3--4 (1961). The print sets (3) as nk−2+1≤mk≤(2k−4k−2)n^{k-2}+1\le m_k\le\binom{2k-4}{k-2}; the bounds of those papers are 2k−2+1≤mk≤(2k−4k−2)+12^{k-2}+1\le m_k\le\binom{2k-4}{k-2}+1, so the left side is a misprint for 2k−2+12^{k-2}+1 and the right side omits the +1+1. The paper also records Szekeres's conjecture that equality holds on the left of (3).

The upper bound (p. 53). The paper takes a set of nn points, no three on a line, with no convex subset of more than t=[log⁡n/log⁡2]+1t=[\log n/\log 2]+1 points, and says (3) guarantees that such a set exists. Every convex subset of it has at most tt points, so f(n)≤∑i=0t(ni)<nc2log⁡nf(n)\le\sum_{i=0}^{t}\binom{n}{i}<n^{c_2\log n}.

The lower bound (p. 53). With T=[n]T=[\sqrt n], the upper bound in (3) gives every TT-point subset a convex subset of size rr with r>log⁡T/log⁡4≥log⁡n/4r>\log T/\log 4\ge\log n/4. Counting these over all (nT)\binom{n}{T} subsets of size TT, and noting that a fixed rr-set lies in exactly (n−rT−r)\binom{n-r}{T-r} of them, gives f(n)>(nT)/(n−rT−r)>(n/T)r>nc1log⁡nf(n)>\binom{n}{T}\big/\binom{n-r}{T-r}>(n/T)^r>n^{c_1\log n}.

Source. P. Erdős, Some more problems on elementary geometry, Austral. Math. Soc. Gaz. 5 (1978), no. 2, 52--54: the definition of f(n)f(n) on p. 52, inequality (2) set at the top of p. 53, inequality (3) and both proofs on p. 53. The edition read is identified on the source card.

Read depth. Claims checked: the definition, inequalities (2) and (3) and both arguments were read clause by clause on the page images of pp. 52--53; the final estimates in each argument were read for structure, not checked step by step.

Proof pointer

Page 53, as summarized above: an Erdős-Szekeres set with no large convex subset for the upper bound, and an averaging over subsets of size [n][\sqrt n] for the lower bound.

Dependencies

The Erdős-Szekeres bounds on mkm_k (the paper's (3)), cited from Erdős and Szekeres 1935 and 1961.

Bears on

  • Problem 838: the problem asks to estimate the same f(n)f(n), in particular whether log⁡f(n)/(log⁡n)2\log f(n)/(\log n)^2 tends to a constant. For each n>1n>1 at which (2) holds, it says exactly that this ratio lies strictly between c1c_1 and c2c_2; it does not decide whether the limit exists. The paper's guess that it does is conjecture_p53.