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Statement

Let FF be a finite simple rooted graph with nonempty internal set AA, root set RR, and positive integers a≤ba\le b. Suppose

b∣S∣≤aeF(S)(S⊆A).b|S|\le a e_F(S)\qquad(S\subseteq A).

There are an integer t≥1t\ge1 and constants c>0,n0c>0,n_0 such that

ex⁡(n,F(t))≥cn2−a/bfor every integer n≥n0.\operatorname{ex}(n,F^{(t)})\ge c n^{2-a/b} \qquad\text{for every integer }n\ge n_0.

This is a lower-bound theorem. No upper bound for any rooted power is assumed. The roots may be adjacent, and FF need not be bipartite.

Generic obstruction

Put r=∣R∣r=|R|, e=e(F)e=e(F), and choose d=(br+1)e+1d=(br+1)e+1, so d≥1d\ge1 and (br+1)e≤d+1(br+1)e\le d+1. Apply the [[extremal_graph_theory/adamczewski_2026_erdos571/finite_coefficient_obstruction|finite coefficient obstruction]] over K0=F2K_0=\mathbb F_2 and its algebraic closure KK. This supplies t≥1t\ge1 and a nonzero coefficient polynomial QQ over F2\mathbb F_2. If Q(c)≠0Q(c)\ne0, the polynomial bipartite graph over KK with coefficients cc contains no F(t)F^{(t)}.

Every finite extension EE of F2\mathbb F_2 embeds in KK. Evaluation of polynomials commutes with that embedding, and applying the embedding coordinatewise gives an injective edge-preserving map from the graph over EE into the graph over KK. Consequently, the same nonvanishing condition excludes F(t)F^{(t)} over every such EE. The image of QQ remains a nonzero polynomial and has the same total degree D=deg⁡QD=\deg Q.

A dense specialization

Let q=∣E∣q=|E|. Choose every coefficient of aa polynomials of total degree at most dd in 2b2b variables independently and uniformly from EE. Their common zero condition defines a bipartite graph on two copies of EbE^b. There are q2bq^{2b} potential edges.

By interpolation, one potential edge occurs with probability q−aq^{-a}. Two distinct edges have distinct left-right coordinate tuples, even when they share an endpoint. Since d≥1d\ge1, the two evaluations are independent and their joint edge probability is q−2aq^{-2a}. If XX counts edges, this gives

μ:=EX=q2b−a,Var⁡(X)=q2bq−a(1−q−a)≤μ.\mu:=\mathbb E X=q^{2b-a},\qquad \operatorname{Var}(X)=q^{2b}q^{-a}(1-q^{-a})\le\mu.

Therefore

P(X<μ/2)≤E(X−μ)2(μ/2)2≤4μ.\mathbb P(X<\mu/2)\le \frac{\mathbb E(X-\mu)^2}{(\mu/2)^2}\le\frac4\mu.

The finite-field Schwartz–Zippel inequality says that a nonzero polynomial of total degree DD, evaluated at independent uniform field elements, vanishes with probability at most D/qD/q. This is the external polynomial zero-count bound used here; the formal source invokes Mathlib's schwartz_zippel_totalDegree.

Choose q>max⁡(8,2D)q>\max(8,2D). Since 0<a≤b0<a\le b, we have 2b−a≥12b-a\ge1, and hence μ≥q>8\mu\ge q>8. Thus the two bad probabilities above have sum less than one:

P(X<μ/2)+P(Q(c)=0)≤4μ+Dq<1.\mathbb P(X<\mu/2)+\mathbb P(Q(c)=0) \le\frac4\mu+\frac Dq<1.

Some coefficient tuple therefore satisfies Q(c)≠0Q(c)\ne0 and X≥12q2b−aX\ge\tfrac12q^{2b-a}. Its graph is F(t)F^{(t)}-free by the obstruction. The same tt works for every sufficiently large power q=2sq=2^s.

Transfer to every large order

Let nn be sufficiently large and choose a power of two qq with

n1/b≤q<2n1/b,n^{1/b}\le q<2n^{1/b},

large enough for the previous construction. It gives an F(t)F^{(t)}-free graph on N=2qb≥nN=2q^b\ge n vertices with at least q2b−a/2q^{2b-a}/2 edges. A uniformly chosen induced subgraph on nn vertices has expected edge count

e(H)n(n−1)N(N−1).e(H)\frac{n(n-1)}{N(N-1)}.

Every such subgraph remains F(t)F^{(t)}-free. For n≥2n\ge2, some choice has at least

q2b−a2n2/24q2b=n216qa≥116⋅2an2−a/b\frac{q^{2b-a}}2\frac{n^2/2}{4q^{2b}} =\frac{n^2}{16q^a} \ge\frac{1}{16\cdot2^a}n^{2-a/b}

edges. This proves the assertion for all sufficiently large nn. Subsampling, rather than adding isolated vertices, also handles forbidden graphs that have isolated roots.

Source and dependencies

This is Proposition 2.1, p. 2 of the preliminary exposition, with its essential omitted deductions supplied by the linked same-source lemmas. The pinned formal source gives FiniteVariance.exists_dense_outside, lines 3930–3956; PolynomialEdgeVariance.edge_moments, lines 3990–4016; DenseGenericSamples.exists_dense_avoiding, lines 4120–4165; GenericFiniteFieldLower.dense_specializations, lines 4242–4289; TransferLowerBound and DyadicLowerTransfer, lines 4294–4396; and UnconditionalRootedLower.exists_power_lower, lines 4407–4437.

The finite-field and algebraic-closure existence facts, the elementary finite expectation identities, and the stated Schwartz–Zippel inequality are the external background inputs. The generic fibers, compactness and obstruction arguments are proved on the linked result pages. This route uses no Lang–Weil estimate; its relation to earlier random-algebraic lower-bound proofs is discussed in the source record.

Bears on. #571.