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Problem 533
claims/: The 3 claim pages of Problem 533, one per claimant's result; the problem's standing derives from them.
Statement. Let . If is sufficiently large and is a graph on vertices with no and at least edges then contains a set of vertices containing no triangle.
Formulation. The site's wording of 2026-09-18 (page last edited 27 January 2026). A set of vertices "containing no triangle" is a vertex set spanning a triangle-free induced subgraph; the largest size of such a set is the -independence number of the sources (Balogh and Lenz write ; the 1983 Erdős--Hajnal--Sós--Szemerédi paper writes ). The statement claims: for every there is such that every -free graph on vertices with at least edges has once is large. One for which this fails disproves it. The statement holds for every (Erdős, Hajnal, Simonovits, Sós and Szemerédi) and fails for every (Liu, Reiher, Sharifzadeh and Staden); the instance is not settled by these bounds. The site's equivalent form is , where
and is the largest number of edges of a -free graph on vertices with . Two normalizations occur in the sources: Balogh and Lenz's divides by , so ; Liu, Reiher, Sharifzadeh and Staden's divides by , so (an authored one-line conversion: ). The thread reports that the origin paper's is likewise . The site's label, DISPROVED (LEAN), and the Lean proof behind its qualifier are explained under Formalization.
Status. DISPROVED (LEAN), the site's label on 2026-09-18 (page last edited 27 January 2026). The status-defining source is Theorem 3 of Balogh and Lenz (Israel J. Math. 194 (2013), no. 1, 45--68, refereed; cited from the arXiv v2): for and , with , ; at , this is , the value the paper displays after its Problem 5. So : for every and all large there are -free graphs on vertices with and at least edges, and the statement fails for (the deduction is written out below). The exact threshold is : the upper bound is the origin paper's (not held; stated first-hand by four of its authors in 1983 and attested by [BaLe13] and [LRSS21]; an accepted partial claim on the Erdős–Hajnal–Simonovits–Sós–Szemerédi claim page), and the matching construction is Theorem 1.1 of Liu, Reiher, Sharifzadeh and Staden (Corollary 1.2 and Theorem 1.4: ; J. Eur. Math. Soc., Crossref record of 20 October 2025; cited from the arXiv v2 of 18 August 2025). The two disproofs are recorded as accepted full claims, refereed and credited by the site, on the Balogh–Lenz claim page and the Liu–Reiher–Sharifzadeh–Staden claim page; the public Lean proof of the disproof, recorded under Formalization, is linked from the second and is not counted as formalized evidence, since the corpus has not built it.
Source. erdosproblems.com/533, accessed 2026-09-18: the problem page (DISPROVED (LEAN), with the site's note that the answer is negative and a proof has been checked in Lean; last edited 27 January 2026; source keys [Er91], [EHSSS94, p. 306]; commentary citing [ErRo62], [BaLe13], [LRSS21], Problems 579 and 620 and the graphs problem collection), its six-comment discussion thread (10 September 2025 and 27 January 2026) and its empty proof-claim tab. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #533, https://www.erdosproblems.com/533, accessed 2026-09-18.
References.
- [BaLe13] Balogh, J. and Lenz, J., On the Ramsey-Turán numbers of graphs and hypergraphs. Israel J. Math. 194 (2013), no. 1, 45--68, doi:10.1007/s11856-012-0076-2 (published online 29 June 2012; Crossref record and the arXiv listing's journal reference); arXiv:1109.4428v2 (22 September 2011); the journal text was not compared. The definitions, p. 2; Problems 1--2 and Theorem 3, p. 3; Corollary 4, Problem 5 and the display , p. 4; the open problems, p. 18. Library home: balogh_2013_ramsey_turan_numbers_graphs_hypergraphs.
- [LRSS21] Liu, H., Reiher, C., Sharifzadeh, M. and Staden, K., Geometric constructions for Ramsey-Turán theory. arXiv:2103.10423v2 (18 August 2025, "to appear in JEMS"); Journal of the European Mathematical Society, vol. 28, no. 1, 79--112, doi:10.4171/jems/1712 (Crossref record, issued 20 October 2025; the journal text is not held). The definition of , p. 2; the state of the art before the paper, p. 3; Theorem 1.1 and Corollary 1.2, p. 4; Theorem 1.4, p. 5; Problem C, p. 6. Library home: liu_2021_geometric_constructions_ramsey_turan_theory.
- [ErRo62] Erdős, P. and Rogers, C. A., The construction of certain graphs. Canad. J. Math. 14 (1962), 702--707, doi:10.4153/CJM-1962-060-4 (received October 26, 1961). The Section 3 Theorem, p. 704. Library home: erdos_1962_construction_certain_graphs (a Rényi archive scan).
- [EHSS83] Erdős, P., Hajnal, A., Sós, V. T. and Szemerédi, E., More results on Ramsey-Turán type problems. Combinatorica 3 (1983), no. 1, 69--81, doi:10.1007/BF02579342. Section 6, p. 80: the -independence variant, the bound announced without proof, and the question whether it is best possible. Not a site key for this problem. Library home: erdos_1983_more_results_ramsey_turan_type_problems (a Rényi archive scan).
- [EHSSS94] Erdős, P., Hajnal, A., Simonovits, M., Sós, V. T. and Szemerédi, E., Turán-Ramsey theorems and -independence numbers. Combin. Probab. Comput. 3 (1994), no. 3, 297--325, doi:10.1017/S0963548300001218 (the site's reference text of 2026-09-18; Crossref record; a reprint in Combinatorics, Geometry and Probability, Cambridge Univ. Press (1997), 253--282, doi:10.1017/CBO9780511662034.025, is also on record). The site cites p. 306. Not held: one request to the DOI resolved to the publisher's abstract page ("Get access"), and no open copy was located. Its bounds are quoted on pp. 3--4 of [BaLe13] and pp. 2--3 of [LRSS21], and the thread cites its Theorem 2.11.
- [Er91] Erdős, P., Problems and results in combinatorial analysis and combinatorial number theory. Graph theory, combinatorics, and applications, Vol. 1 (Kalamazoo, MI, 1988) (1991), 397--406. Site source key; not held (after the Rényi archive's 1989 cutoff).
- [EHSSS93] Erdős, P., Hajnal, A., Simonovits, M., Sós, V. T. and Szemerédi, E., Turán-Ramsey theorems and simple asymptotically extremal structures. Combinatorica 13 (1993), 31--56. A source of Problem 615; a different paper from the origin [EHSSS94], not consumed by this page. Library home: erdos_1993_turan_ramsey_theorems_simple_asymptotically_extremal.
Formalization. The file
ErdosProblems/533.lean
of formal-conjectures (main on 2026-09-18) declares
erdos_533 : answer(False) ↔ ∀ δ : ℝ, 0 < δ → ∃ c : ℝ, 0 < c ∧ ∀ᶠ n : ℕ in atTop, ∀ G : SimpleGraph (Fin n), G.CliqueFree 5 → δ * (n : ℝ) ^ 2 ≤ G.edgeFinset.card → ∃ S : Finset (Fin n), c * n ≤ (S.card : ℝ) ∧ G.CliqueFreeOn (S : Set (Fin n)) 3
under category research solved, with proof sorry, together with the
variants ehsss_upper (), lrss_lower
(), delta_four_eq_zero and delta_seven_ge_quarter,
all research solved with proof sorry, and a trivial test_bot; at that
commit no formal_proof attribute named a proof artifact. The
file at main
on 2026-10-07 carries on erdos_533 a formal_proof attribute (added 18
September 2026) naming the Lean file
Erdos533.lean
in plby/lean-proofs, which declares itself a Lean formalization of a solution
to Problem 533, names Balogh, Lenz, Liu, Reiher, Sharifzadeh and Staden as
its informal authors and Codex and GPT-5.6 Sol as its formal authors, and
builds the Liu--Reiher--Sharifzadeh--Staden complex Bollobás--Erdős graph at
, ; it is linked as a formalization on
their claim page.
The community database (teorth/erdosproblems, 2026-09-18) records status
"disproved (Lean)" as of its last update on 23 August 2026 (the informal status
disproved, last updated 26 January 2026), formal_status Lean with no URL, and
the statement as formalized, last updated 2 July 2026; the site's indicator
reads "Formalised statement? Yes". The corpus has built and checked none of
these files, so no formalized evidence is listed and no kernel credit is
claimed.
Current assessment
The question (site formulation of 2026-09-18). The statement above; DISPROVED (LEAN); last edited 27 January 2026. The site's commentary restates the question as in the Ramsey--Turán notation of the Formulation paragraph, attributes it to Erdős, Hajnal, Simonovits, Sós and Szemerédi, and lists their three results: , , and . The last rests on an Erdős--Rogers graph [ErRo62] (see [620]), -free on vertices and with a triangle inside each vertex set of size or more; the join of two disjoint copies is -free on vertices, has or more edges, and still has a triangle inside each vertex set of size or more (the source is paged under "The Erdős--Rogers ingredient" below). The commentary then attributes the disproof, the positivity of , to Balogh and Lenz [BaLe13], gives as the exact value of with the matching lower bound from a construction of Liu, Reiher, Sharifzadeh and Staden [LRSS21], and points to [579] and the graphs problem collection. The thread's six comments are written out below; the proof-claim tab is empty; the community database record says disproved (Lean).
Origin. The site's source key is [EHSSS94, p. 306], not held. The question is older in the record: Section 6, p. 80 of [EHSS83] defines as "the size of the largest subset for which does not contain a complete graph" and as the largest edge count of a -free graph on vertices with , records (6.3) for , and continues: "Here is the simplest unsolved case: We can prove that [sic] . Is this best possible? To show this an analogue of the Bollobás--Erdős graph (2) would be needed which we think will be extremely hard to find. At the moment we can not even disprove ." (The print writes for in this sentence.) Balogh and Lenz (p. 2) cite the passage, "[6, p. 80]", as where the extension to -independence was proposed, and quote (p. 3) the sentence about the Bollobás--Erdős analog. So the upper bound is stated first-hand, without proof, in a refereed paper by four of the five authors of the origin; its proof is the origin paper's (Theorem 2.11 per the thread), quoted second-hand on p. 3 of [BaLe13] (for with , , which is at , ) and in its Problem 5 (, , , ; "Are any of these bounds tight?").
The disproof. Theorem 3 of [BaLe13] (p. 3 of the arXiv v2): "For and , let . Then ." Here is (display (1), p. 2), the site's when , . At , , the bound is , which p. 4 displays as (with , , ) after optimizing Corollary 4. The paper poses the question as Problem 2 (p. 3), "([5], [6], and [17, Problem 17]) Determine if ", notes that "for , it is easy to observe that and , motivating Problem 2", and calls the answer to Problems 1 and 2 its main result. The deduction to the site's statement (authored): means that for every and every large there is a -free graph on vertices with and at least edges. Take and any ; with the graphs have at least edges for large , and every set of vertices spans a triangle, since . So no exists and the statement is false. Acceptance evidence: Israel Journal of Mathematics is refereed; the Crossref record and the arXiv listing's journal reference agree on volume 194 (2013), 45--68; the text cited is the arXiv v2 (its title page prints the compilation date November 6, 2018) and the journal text was not compared. Proof pointer: Theorem 3 "follows from a result about hypergraphs" (p. 4), Theorem 9 (the sphere construction of a 3-uniform hypergraph on three vertex classes, with hyperedges both across and inside the classes, p. 6), through the shadow graph (p. 15, "Proof of Theorem 3"); not checked. Read depth: claims checked for the definitions, Problems 1, 2 and 5, Theorem 3, Corollary 4 and the p. 4 displays, and the Section 8 remarks; no proof was read.
The exact threshold. Theorem 1.1 of [LRSS21] (Complex Bollobás--Erdős graph; p. 4 of the arXiv v2): for integers and all sufficiently large there is a graph with vertex partition , , such that , and ; if then is -free, "and consequently, ". At , this is a -free graph on vertices with and edges, so . Corollary 1.2 (p. 4) states for , , "This in particular determines, after about 40 years, that ", and Theorem 1.4 (p. 5) gives and , whose case is again. With the normalization above, is the site's . The paper's own account of the state before it (p. 3): "even the simplest subproblem of determining whether was only confirmed in 2011 by a breakthrough of Balogh and Lenz [5]", with the state of the art then (the from Balogh and Lenz's second paper, their [6]). Acceptance evidence: the arXiv listing says "to appear in JEMS" and Crossref records the article in the Journal of the European Mathematical Society (vol. 28, no. 1, 79--112, issued 20 October 2025); the journal text is not held and was not compared with the arXiv v2. Read depth: claims checked for the definition of , Conjecture A, Theorems 1.1, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, Corollary 1.2 and Problem C (pp. 2--6); the constructions (Sections 3--4) were not read.
The Erdős--Rogers ingredient. The site's paragraph uses the Section 3 Theorem of [ErRo62] at (p. 704): for a sufficiently large integer there is a graph with fewer than vertices, containing no , in which every vertices contain a triangle; the site's form, a triangle inside each vertex set of size or more, is this with . Balogh and Lenz (p. 4) use the same theorem inside Corollary 4 ("Such a graph exists by the Erdős-Rogers Theorem [7]") and record that the origin paper proved . The theorem is the origin of Problem 620.
The thread (leads with provenance, not status). The six comments, by account and date, from the discussion page of 2026-09-18:
- 10 September 2025 (the account TerenceTao): a weaker statement, which the comment calls a near miss, proved in the comment by dependent random choice: if has edges and no , then some set of vertices spans no triangle (the comment works with and says can be any constant below ); the argument would give the site's statement from a strong form of the Balog--Szemerédi--Gowers lemma that Kostochka and Sudakov showed to be false. Not checked.
- 27 January 2026, 01:34 (the account BorisAlexeev): reports that ChatGPT derives a negative answer from [LRSS21], Section 3 with , , giving , against the site's then-stated positive result for ; the comment had not looked further. The site was updated after this comment.
- 27 January 2026, 04:09 (TerenceTao): reports that ChatGPT Pro takes the for a typo and holds that Erdős and his coauthors in fact proved the positive result, which Liu, Reiher, Sharifzadeh and Staden match at ; the commenter's own inference is that [Er91] is presumably the source of the , and that the site should change it to ; the graphs problem collection reports .
- 27 January 2026, 05:19 (the account Adenwalla): Theorem 2.11 of [EHSSS94] gives the positive result (take , ); the confusion comes from a false factor in its Theorem 2.6; the least for the analogous statement is unknown, with .
- 27 January 2026, 07:23 (the site's curator): [LRSS21] resolves the question completely, while the bare positivity of seems to have been proved earlier by Balogh and Lenz; the site was updated; the was a typo that had gone unnoticed.
- 27 January 2026, 18:25 (Adenwalla): [EHSSS94] in fact show (Theorem 2.6(b), mentioned below Theorem 2.13); the paper defines as and later forgets the factor .
ChatGPT's report and the [EHSSS94] locators are recorded as the thread gives them; the paper is not held, so the locators were not checked. The correction from to concerns the site's commentary, not the status.
The case (not the problem). Whether was the open question of [EHSS83], p. 80; Balogh and Lenz (p. 4, p. 18) record and a construction in [EHSSS94] "conjectured to show "; Corollary 1.2 of [LRSS21] covers and so not , , and their quotation of [EHSSS94] names as "too difficult". No source found settles it.
Formalization and the Lean label. As recorded above: on 2026-09-18 the
formal-conjectures file at the commit then at main was a statement with sorry
and no formal_proof attribute, and the community database named no
formal-proof URL, although a Lean disproof was already public: Erdos533.lean
in plby/lean-proofs, first committed on 16 August 2026, got its author header on
23 August 2026, the date of the community database's last update of its
disproved (Lean) entry; formal-conjectures named it on 18 September 2026. The
file at main names the plby/lean-proofs file by Codex and GPT-5.6 Sol, which
formalizes the Liu--Reiher--Sharifzadeh--Staden construction; the corpus has not
built it. The file's docstring cites the volume and the value as this
page does.
Search scope. None of the routes below found a dispute of Theorem 3 or of , or a later change.
- The site: problem page, discussion thread and proof-claim tab on 2026-09-18; the site's reference text for [EHSSS94]; the formal-conjectures file at the pinned commit; the community database on 2026-09-18.
- arXiv: the API records and abstract pages of 1109.4428 (v1 20 September
2011, v2 22 September 2011; journal reference "Israel Journal of
Mathematics, 194, 45-68, 2013" and the DOI) and 2103.10423 (v1 18 March
2021, v2 18 August 2025; comment "to appear in JEMS"); the API search
all:Ramsey AND all:Turan(eight records, none on this problem). - Crossref: the records of [BaLe13], [LRSS21], [EHSSS94], [EHSS83] and [ErRo62] (bibliographic queries).
- Semantic Scholar: the citation lists of [BaLe13] (24 records) and [LRSS21] (9 records), scanned by title: clique factors under sublinear -independence number, generalized and two-colored Ramsey--Turán densities, "Graph with any rational density and no rich subsets of linear size" (2024), "Bipartite cuts in Ramsey-Turán style" (2026); none disputes the value.
- One request to the publisher's DOI for [EHSSS94] (abstract page, no open copy).
- The primary sources at the pages cited: [BaLe13] pp. 1--4, 15 and 18; [LRSS21] pp. 1--6; [EHSS83] pp. 69--72 and 80--81; [ErRo62] pp. 702--707.
Not searched: MathSciNet, zbMATH, Google Scholar, X. Not held: [EHSSS94], [Er91], the journal texts of [BaLe13] and [LRSS21].
Remaining gaps. (1) [EHSSS94], the origin and the proof of the upper bound , is not held; the bound rests on the 1983 announcement and two refereed quotations. Route tried: the publisher's DOI, abstract only; reopening condition: a lawful copy, whose Theorem 2.11 would then be paged. (2) [Er91] is not held. (3) Proof coverage is statements only: Theorem 3, Corollary 4, Theorems 1.1 and 1.4 and Corollary 1.2 are paged at claims checked; the constructions were not read or reviewed. (4) The journal texts of [BaLe13] and [LRSS21] were not compared with the arXiv preprints. (5) The thread's near-miss argument and ChatGPT's report are unchecked leads. (6) The Lean proof behind the site's LEAN qualifier, named by formal-conjectures since 18 September 2026 and absent from the commit at main on 2026-09-18, has not been built or audited by the corpus.
Known results
- Erdős--Hajnal--Sós--Szemerédi 1983, p. 80: the -independence Ramsey--Turán function, the announced bound for and the questions for and .
- [EHSSS94] (not held): , , ; quoted through [BaLe13] and the thread. The first bound proves the statement for every (claim page).
- Balogh--Lenz, Theorem 3 (2013, refereed): ; the disproof. Corollary 4: the bounds for and the p. 4 displays.
- Liu--Reiher--Sharifzadeh--Staden, Theorem 1.1, Corollary 1.2 and Theorem 1.4 (2025): , that is ; the exact threshold.
- Erdős--Rogers, Section 3 Theorem (1962): the -free graphs with no large triangle-free set behind and behind Corollary 4.
- Related: Problem 579 (the Ramsey--Turán question, open) and Problem 620 (the Erdős--Rogers function).
Linked library material
These entries are derived from explicit links on library pages. They are navigation only and do not by themselves record mathematical progress.
- balogh_2013_ramsey_turan_numbers_graphs_hypergraphs
- balogh_2013_ramsey_turan_numbers_graphs_hypergraphs / corollary_4
- balogh_2013_ramsey_turan_numbers_graphs_hypergraphs / theorem_3
- erdos_1962_construction_certain_graphs
- erdos_1962_construction_certain_graphs / theorem_section_3
- liu_2021_geometric_constructions_ramsey_turan_theory
- liu_2021_geometric_constructions_ramsey_turan_theory / corollary_1_2
- liu_2021_geometric_constructions_ramsey_turan_theory / theorem_1_1
- liu_2021_geometric_constructions_ramsey_turan_theory / theorem_1_4
- erdos_1983_more_results_ramsey_turan_type_problems
- erdos_1983_more_results_ramsey_turan_type_problems / problem_p80
- sudakov_2003_few_remarks_ramsey_turan_type_problems
- sudakov_2003_few_remarks_ramsey_turan_type_problems / theorem_3_3