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Problem 608

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Statement. Let GG be a graph with nn vertices and >n2/4>n^2/4 many edges. Are there at least 29n2\frac{2}{9}n^2 edges of GG which are contained in a C5C_5?

Formulation. The Statement places no lower bound on nn, and neither does Erdős's own statement in [Er97d] (item 11, p. 84, quoted under Current assessment), which asks the question for graphs with ⌊n2/4⌋+1\lfloor n^2/4\rfloor+1 edges. The Statement fails trivially at small orders: K3K_3 has three edges, more than 32/43^2/4, and none lies in a five-cycle; K4K_4, and K4K_4 with a pendant edge, fail in the same way for n=4n=4 and n=5n=5. The reading that asks for the inequality only for all sufficiently large nn is false as well, by the Füredi--Maleki construction (Status), whose failures occur at every large nn. So no range on nn removes the failures, the Statement stands as printed, and both readings have the negative answer.

Status. Disproved, the site's label (DISPROVED (LEAN)), whose suffix is a catalog label explained under Formalization. The Statement fails trivially at small orders, first at K3K_3 (Formulation), and it fails at every large order: the status-defining source is the Füredi--Maleki construction described as Construction 2 of [GHV19] (J. Combin. Theory Ser. B 137 (2019), 65--103, refereed): for all large nn a graph with ⌊n2/4⌋+1\lfloor n^2/4\rfloor+1 edges and only ((2+2)/16)n2+O(n)<2n2/9((2+\sqrt2)/16)n^2+O(n)<2n^2/9 edges on pentagons, the count being sharp by the same paper's Theorem 1.3. The site's commentary adopts this negative answer, crediting Füredi and Maleki as described by [GHV19] (page last edited 25 October 2025, as of 2026-10-07). The result and its acceptance evidence are recorded on the claim page Grzesik--Hu--Volec, from which the frontmatter is derived. The suffix "(LEAN)" rests on the repository the community database records as the problem's formal status, a public Lean 4 development that declares itself a formalization of this disproof and is recorded as a formalization link on the same claim page; the corpus holds no build or audit of it, so it adds no evidence (Formalization below).

Source. erdosproblems.com/608, accessed 2026-10-07: the problem page (DISPROVED (LEAN); last edited 25 October 2025; source keys [EFR92], [Er97d]; a commentary recording the Erdős--Faudree--Rousseau triangle count, Erdős's odd-cycle statement with its extremal example, the triangle condition that would imply a positive answer, the general C2k+1C_{2k+1} question of [EFR92], and the negative answer for C5C_5 credited to Füredi and Maleki as described by [GHV19] with the sharp constant (2+2)/16(2+\sqrt2)/16 and the k≥3k\ge3 cases of the [EFR92] conjecture proved by [GHV19]; "Formalised statement? No"), its discussion thread (two comments: one of 25 October 2025 reporting the Füredi--Maleki construction through Construction 2 of [GHV19], after which the site records that it was updated, and one of 25 July 2026 on typos in the commentary) and its empty proof-claim tab. The community database (teorth/erdosproblems, data/problems.yaml,) lists the informal state disproved (last update 25 October 2025) and the status "disproved (Lean)" (last update 29 July 2026), with the formal-status URL https://github.com/primateria/erdos608 and no formalized statement. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #608, https://www.erdosproblems.com/608, accessed 2026-10-07.

References.

  • [EFR92] Erdős, P. and Faudree, R. J. and Rousseau, C. C., Extremal problems involving vertices and edges on odd cycles. Discrete Math. 101 (1992), no. 1--3, 23--31, doi:10.1016/0012-365X(92)90586-5 (Crossref record). Site source key.
  • [Er97d] Erdős, Paul, Some recent problems and results in graph theory. Discrete Math. 164 (1997), 81--85; item 11, p. 84. Library home: erdos_1997_some_recent_problems_results_graph_theory.
  • [GHV19] Grzesik, Andrzej and Hu, Ping and Volec, Jan, Minimum number of edges that occur in odd cycles. J. Combin. Theory Ser. B 137 (2019), 65--103, doi:10.1016/j.jctb.2018.12.003; arXiv:1605.09055 (v3 12 August 2018, the version cited). Library home: grzesik_2019_minimum_number_edges_that_occur_odd.

Formalization. Solution at https://github.com/primateria/erdos608, the community database's formal-status URL; on 2026-10-07 its default branch stood at the pinned commit (two commits, both of 29 July 2026), and its README is summarized on the claim page of the result it declares itself to formalize. No formal-conjectures statement exists for the problem.

Current assessment

The question (site formulation of 2026-10-07). The statement above; DISPROVED (LEAN), the site's label for a negative answer whose proof the site records as verified in Lean; last edited 25 October 2025. The commentary records the Erdős--Faudree--Rousseau triangle count and Erdős's odd-cycle statement with its extremal example, the triangle condition that would imply a positive answer, the general C2k+1C_{2k+1} question of [EFR92], and the negative answer for C5C_5 credited to Füredi and Maleki as described by [GHV19], with the sharp constant (2+2)/16(2+\sqrt2)/16 and the k≥3k\ge3 cases proved by [GHV19]. The thread holds two comments (25 October 2025 and 25 July 2026), the proof-claim tab is empty, and the community database lists the problem as disproved (last update 25 October 2025) and disproved (Lean) (last update 29 July 2026).

Currentness search. The arXiv record, the publisher's indexed record, Ping Hu's publication list, the authors' supplementary page and targeted title, correction, follow-up and X-announcement queries. The arXiv record identifies v3 as current, and the author page records publication in Journal of Combinatorial Theory, Series B 137 (2019), 65--103, DOI 10.1016/j.jctb.2018.12.003. The search also located the 2016 Warsaw seminar announcement, whose result is supported through [GHV19], and the formalization repository's README. No primary correction changing the pentagon conclusion was located. The search did not reach the publisher's article page or the site's live page. Search silence is not evidence that no later correction exists.

The page's account of the construction and the theorems rests on manuscript pp. 1--4, 8, 19--20, 25--26, 30--31 and 34; pp. 8 and 34 distinguish Proposition 3.2's algebraic statement from Appendix A's certificate-checking procedure. The source proofs are not reconstructed or independently reviewed: the finite rounding argument, stability proofs, intervening lemmas and flag-algebra certificates were not fully checked or replayed. Item 11 of [Er97d] (p. 84) states the odd cycle theorem without attribution, "In every G(n;⌊n2/4⌋+1)G(n;\lfloor n^2/4\rfloor+1) there are at least 2n2/92n^2/9 edges which occur in an odd cycle. 2n2/92n^2/9 is best possible", then the conjecture, "Perhaps there are at least 2n2/92n^2/9 edges which occur in a pentagon", and the statement that would imply it, that every G(n;(n2/4)+1)G(n;(n^2/4)+1) contains a triangle with (n/2)−O(1)(n/2)-O(1) vertices joined to at least two of its vertices; the conjecture is stated for graphs with ⌊n2/4⌋+1\lfloor n^2/4\rfloor+1 edges and no lower bound on nn.

The site's word "Lean" and the formalization link are catalog information. The repository's README at the pinned commit reports an eventual-form disproof with an explicit gap and a separate counterexample to the form with no lower bound on nn, and names Füredi and Maleki, as described by Grzesik, Hu and Volec, as the source of its mathematics; the claim page records what it states. The corpus holds no build, axiom audit or statement-fidelity audit of this development and has read no source of it beyond the README, so the page awards no formalization or independent whole-proof credit from that reported result.

Progress

The negative answer at arbitrarily large orders is supplied by the Füredi--Maleki construction described in [GHV19], Construction 2 (the accepted claim page). For graphs with ⌊n2/4⌋+1\lfloor n^2/4\rfloor+1 edges, it gives ((2+2)/16)n2+O(n)((2+\sqrt2)/16)n^2+O(n) edges lying in pentagons. Since (2+2)/16<2/9(2+\sqrt2)/16<2/9, the fixed difference of leading coefficients dominates the linear error for sufficiently large nn. Thus the construction also refutes the weaker proposed bound 2n2/9−O(n)2n^2/9-O(n). This is a count of distinct edges belonging to at least one pentagon, not a count of pentagon copies; the copies need not be induced.

Construction 2 uses four parts along a path A−B−C−DA-B-C-D, with a clique inside DD. Its limiting part proportions are (2−2)/4(2-\sqrt2)/4, 1/41/4, 1/41/4 and 2/4\sqrt2/4. The edges between AA and BB lie in no pentagon. The source's finite construction statement and the distinction between those proportions and integer part sizes are recorded on the linked result page. Its relevant locators are pp. 2--3 and the finite rounding discussion on pp. 19--20 of the arXiv:1605.09055v3 manuscript, dated 12 August 2018. The earlier Füredi--Maleki manuscript is listed there as reference [18], in preparation.

The source's Theorem 1.3, on manuscript p. 3, proves the matching lower bound

∣C5(G)∣≥2+216n2−O(n15/8).|\mathcal C_5(G)|\ge \frac{2+\sqrt2}{16}n^2-O(n^{15/8}).

Here C5(G)\mathcal C_5(G) is the set of pentagonal edges. The theorem is stated for exactly ⌊n2/4⌋+1\lfloor n^2/4\rfloor+1 edges and extends to more edges by taking a spanning subgraph at that threshold. Together with Construction 2, it determines the minimum as ((2+2)/16+o(1))n2((2+\sqrt2)/16+o(1))n^2. A lower bound smaller than the proposed value would not itself give a counterexample; the construction supplies that essential upper example.

Known Results

The source's Theorem 1.5, with its exact-minimum conclusion from Theorem 7.1, concerns each fixed C2k+1C_{2k+1} with k≥3k\ge3 and sufficiently large nn depending on kk. The minimum is taken over nn-vertex graphs with exactly ⌊n2/4⌋+1\lfloor n^2/4\rfloor+1 edges and equals

⌊n24⌋+1−⌊n+46⌋⌊n+16⌋=29n2+O(n).\left\lfloor\frac{n^2}{4}\right\rfloor+1 -\left\lfloor\frac{n+4}{6}\right\rfloor \left\lfloor\frac{n+1}{6}\right\rfloor =\frac29n^2+O(n).

This confirms the corresponding asymptotic 2n2/9−O(n)2n^2/9-O(n) conjecture for each fixed k≥3k\ge3. The exact 2n2/92n^2/9 inequality nevertheless fails at sufficiently large orders in some residue classes. Theorem 7.1 on p. 26 gives 2n2/9−(n−22)/182n^2/9-(n-22)/18 for n≡2(mod6)n\equiv2\pmod6 and 2n2/9−(n−13)/182n^2/9-(n-13)/18 for n≡5(mod6)n\equiv5\pmod6. These results are context for the contrast with pentagons and cannot be specialized to k=2k=2. The pentagon finite-order extremal description in Theorem 6.1 is an integer optimization with rounding dependence; this page does not claim a closed formula for every nn.

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