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Problem 642
Statement. Let be the maximal number of edges in a graph on vertices such that all cycles have more vertices than chords. Is it true that ?
Status. Open.
Source. erdosproblems.com/642, accessed 2026-09-04. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #642, https://www.erdosproblems.com/642.
References.
- [CES96] Chen, Guantao and Erdős, Paul and Staton, William, Proof of a conjecture of Bollobás on nested cycles. J. Combin. Theory Ser. B (1996), 38-43.
- [DMMS24] Draganić, Nemanja and Methuku, Abhishek and Munhá Correia, David and Sudakov, Benny, [[../library/extremal_graph_theory/draganic_2024_cycles_many_chords/_index|Cycles with many chords]]. Random Structures Algorithms 65 (2024), no. 1, 3-16, doi:10.1002/rsa.21207.
Formalization. None recorded.
Current assessment
The lower-bound observation below is due to DesmondWeisenberg, comment #8678, 1 September 2026. It gives a gluing inequality, an extended limit for , and finite witnesses for each fixed strict linear lower bound. This is an author-recorded reconstruction of that third-party argument, not a new project result. No independent review of the reconstruction is recorded. The Status gives the site's label; no literature search beyond the site and its thread is recorded.
The site's commentary (page last edited 28 January 2026) records the upper bounds of [CES96] and of [DMMS24], the latter the best known: by its Theorem 1.1, for large every -vertex graph with at least edges has a cycle with at least as many chords as vertices. Three other comments on the thread bear on the problem: a clarification of 12 January 2026 that a chord must be an edge of the graph; Boris Alexeev's computation of 28 January 2026 that the densest admissible graphs have edges at , where is the smallest forbidden graph, and edges for , the complete tripartite graph being the only one for ; and a post of 12 May 2026 by AronBhalla presenting a sketch produced with GPT 5.5 Thinking, which claims that tightening the final parameter check of [DMMS24] gives . That post is not a dated manuscript, its sketch is unreviewed, and a bound weaker than settles no instance of the question, so it has no claim page.
Known Results
Gluing admissible graphs
Work with finite simple undirected graphs and positive integers . Call a graph admissible if each simple cycle has fewer chords than vertices. A chord is an edge of the graph joining two nonconsecutive vertices of the cycle. The edgeless graph on vertices is admissible, and there are finitely many graphs on a fixed labeled vertex set, so is attained and . Every tree is admissible because it has no cycles; therefore for every .
For every positive integer and positive integers ,
Choose disjoint admissible graphs with vertices and edges, and choose a vertex in each. On the set place an admissible graph with edges. Let contain the edges of the and . The added edges join different parts, so no edge is counted twice.
Every simple cycle of lies in one or in . To see this, all edges from to its complement pass through . If a cycle met both and the complement of , it would contain . Deleting from the cycle would leave a connected path meeting both sets, although no edge joins those sets in , a contradiction. Thus a cycle containing any vertex other than the chosen stays in its part; a cycle containing only chosen vertices lies in .
The chords also stay in the same graph as the cycle. A cycle inside acquires no chord from , because has only one vertex in and has no loops. A cycle inside acquires no chord from a , because each contains only one vertex of . Consequently every cycle keeps its original chord count and is admissible. Counting its vertices and edges proves the inequality. Positivity of the is needed to choose the vertices ; causes no exception since .
The limit and finite lower-bound witnesses
The one-edge graph on two vertices is admissible, so . Taking in the gluing inequality gives
In particular, for , since . The weaker inequality is superadditivity. The extended form of Fekete's lemma therefore gives
Here is the needed argument, including the possible infinite value. Put for this calculation. For fixed , write with . Repeated superadditivity and nonnegativity give . Since , . If the displayed supremum is finite, it bounds every ratio from above and hence equals both limit inferior and limit superior. If it is infinite, the same lower bound for each forces . The tree bound gives .
The complete tripartite graph is admissible for every . Its part of size is independent, so a cycle has vertices in the other two parts and in it, and at most chords. It has edges, so for and .
For each fixed real , this proves the equivalence
The forward implication supplies such an directly. For the reverse, , so convergence gives the eventual inequality. A witness need only be one admissible -vertex graph with more than edges; its optimality need not be established. For a fixed rational , admissibility and the edge inequality are finite exact checks, and enumerating finite graphs would eventually find a witness whenever the bound is true. This is a procedure that halts on a witness, with no claimed halting guarantee when the bound is false.
The catalog question is equivalent to asking whether is finite: a finite supremum bounds all ratios, while an eventual linear upper bound also bounds the finitely many earlier ratios. The argument does not determine that value, provide witnesses for arbitrarily large , or give a finite decision procedure for the whole problem. The proof above supplies the cycle and chord confinement details and the Fekete argument omitted from the source comment, without using the upper-bound papers or any native L-claim as a premise.
Linked library material
These entries are derived from explicit links on library pages. They are navigation only and do not by themselves record mathematical progress.
- chakraborti_2024_edge_disjoint_cycles_same_vertex_set
- chakraborti_2024_edge_disjoint_cycles_same_vertex_set / theorem_2
- draganic_2024_cycles_many_chords
- draganic_girao_2026_cycles_almost_linearly_many_chords
- draganic_girao_2026_cycles_almost_linearly_many_chords / conjecture_5_1
- draganic_girao_2026_cycles_almost_linearly_many_chords / theorem_1_1
- dvorak_et_al_2025_lollipops_dense_cycles_chords
- letzter_et_al_2026_nearly_hamilton_cycles_sublinear_expanders_applications
- erdos_1997_some_recent_problems_results_graph_theory