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Statement. Let c>0c>0 and let fc(n)f_c(n) be the maximal mm such that every graph GG with nn vertices and at least cn2cn^2 edges, where each edge is contained in at least one triangle, must contain a book of size mm, that is, an edge shared by at least mm different triangles.

Estimate fc(n)f_c(n). In particular, is it true that fc(n)>nϵf_c(n)>n^{\epsilon} for some ϵ>0\epsilon>0? Or fc(n)≫log⁡nf_c(n)\gg \log n?

Formulation. The site's wording as accessed 2026-09-18 (page last edited 7 April 2026). The function is Fox and Loh's h(n,c)h(n,c), defined with "at least cn2cn^2 edges" as the site does (Potechin's Definition 1.1 says "more than cn2cn^2"); Erdős's printed forms are f(n;c)f(n;c) in 1987, h(n;c)h(n;c) in 1988 and g(n;c)g(n;c) in 1992. Since a graph on nn vertices has at most (n2)<n2/2\binom n2<n^2/2 edges, the hypothesis is satisfiable only for c<1/2c<1/2, and the formal statement below restricts cc accordingly. The page-level question is the estimate; the two "in particular" questions are read as questions about every c>0c>0, as Fox and Loh read Erdős's 1987 question (p. 2), as his 1992 wording "for every cc" states, and as the site and the formal-conjectures file treat them. The first is answered no, since it fails for every fixed c<1/4c<1/4; the property it asks for holds for c≥1/4c\ge1/4, so the density 1/41/4 is a threshold (Status). Erdős's 1987 wording (Problem 11 of [Er87], p. 226): "Is it true that f(n;c)>nεf(n;c)>n^\varepsilon (or at least f(n;c)>log⁡nf(n;c)>\log n)?"; his 1992 wording (Problem 14 of [Er92], p. 235): "I think it would be interesting to prove that for every cc and sufficiently large nn (2) g(n;c)>log⁡ng(n;c)>\log n. Rothschild and I expected that a very much stronger result that [sic] (2) will hold."

Status. Open. The page-level question, to estimate fc(n)f_c(n), is open: for fixed c<1/4c<1/4 the known bounds are $2^{\Omega(\log^*n)}\le f_c(n)\le n^{14/\log\log n}$, and for c≥1/4c\ge1/4 they are n/6≤fc(n)≤n−2n/6\le f_c(n)\le n-2. The first "in particular" question is answered no, since it fails for every fixed c<1/4c<1/4, by Theorem 1.1 of Fox and Loh (Combinatorica 32 (2012), refereed), which the site records as the disproof of Erdős's first conjecture; the property it asks for holds for c>1/4c>1/4 by the bound fc(n)≥n/6f_c(n)\ge n/6 of Edwards and of Khadzhiivanov and Nikiforov, proved in full as Corollary 3 of Khadzhiivanov's 1988 account [Kh88], and at c=1/4c=1/4 by that account's Corollary 4. The second, whether fc(n)≫log⁡nf_c(n)\gg\log n for every cc, is open: it holds for c≥1/4c\ge1/4 by the same bounds and is open for every fixed c<1/4c<1/4, the lower bound Fox and Loh derive being exponential in the iterated logarithm. No source answering the estimate or the logarithmic question was found in the search whose scope the Current assessment records; this is a bounded negative finding, not a certificate of openness. The frontmatter standing derives from the claim pages Fox and Loh 2012, an accepted partial claim answering the first closing question no, and Khadzhiivanov and Nikiforov 1979, a claimed partial claim covering the range c>1/4c>1/4 (neither its venues' refereeing nor an acceptance of it under this problem is documented); no claim settles the whole problem, so the derived standing is open with no settling claim.

Source. erdosproblems.com/80, accessed 2026-09-18: the problem page (OPEN, with the site's note that the problem cannot be settled by a finite computation; last edited 7 April 2026; source key [Er87]; commentary citing [KhNi79] and [FoLo12] and pointing to Problem 600 and to the entry in the graphs problem collection; an acknowledgment line thanking one contributor), its one-comment discussion thread (4 May 2026, adding Potechin's note as a further partial improvement and reporting the problem's appearance in [Er88], [Er92] and [Er98]) and its empty proof-claim tab. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #80, https://www.erdosproblems.com/80, accessed 2026-09-18.

References.

  • [Er87] Erdős, P., Some problems on finite and infinite graphs. Logic and combinatorics (Arcata, 1985), Contemp. Math. 65, Amer. Math. Soc. (1987), 223--228; Problem 11, printed pp. 226--227. Library home: erdos_1987_problems_finite_infinite_graphs.
  • [Er88] Erdős, P., Problems and results in combinatorial analysis and graph theory. Discrete Math. 72 (1988), 81--92; Section 10, printed pp. 90--91. Not a source key on the site; named in the thread. Library home: erdos_1988_problems_results_combinatorial_analysis_graph_theory.
  • [Er92] Erdős, P., Some of my favourite problems in various branches of combinatorics. Matematiche (Catania) 47 (1992), 231--240; Problem 14, printed pp. 234--236. Not a source key on the site; named in the thread. Library home: erdos_1992_my_favourite_problems_various_branches_combinatorics.
  • [FoLo12] Fox, J. and Loh, P.-S., On a problem of Erdős and Rothschild on edges in triangles. Combinatorica 32 (2012), no. 6, 619--628, doi:10.1007/s00493-012-2844-3; arXiv:1106.0290 (v2 5 June 2011, the version cited, 8 pages). Theorem 1.1 and the surrounding paragraphs, p. 2 of the preprint. Library home: fox_2012_problem_erdos_rothschild_edges_triangles.
  • [KhNi79] Khadzhiivanov, N. G. and Nikiforov, S. V., Solution of a problem of P. Erdős about the maximum number of triangles with a common edge in a graph. C. R. Acad. Bulgare Sci. 32 (1979), 1315--1318. Not held; the bound n/6n/6 is cited by [FoLo12] p. 2 and Potechin p. 2 and proved in full in the first author's 1988 account [Kh88].
  • [Kh88] Khadzhiivanov, N., On the maximal number of triangles with a common edge (in Russian). Annuaire Univ. Sofia, Fac. Math. Inform. 82 (1988), 37--49; Corollary 3, p. 45, with Theorem 1, p. 40, Theorem 2, p. 43, Lemma 4, pp. 44--45, and Corollary 5, p. 45. Library home: khadzhiivanov_1988_maximal_number_triangles_common_edge; result page Corollary 3.
  • [Ed77] Edwards, C. S., A lower bound for the largest number of triangles with a common edge (1977), listed by [FoLo12] as an unpublished manuscript; the independent source of the n/6n/6 bound, quoted second-hand.
  • [Po14] Potechin, A., A note on a problem of Erdős and Rothschild. arXiv:1412.1838v1 (4 December 2014; title page typeset 5 November 2018), 7 pages; Theorem 1.3 and Corollaries 1.4--1.5, p. 2. The thread cites it as [Po18]. Library home: potechin_2014_note_problem_erdos_rothschild.
  • [BoNi05] Bollobás, B. and Nikiforov, V., Books in graphs. European J. Combin. 26 (2005), 259--270. The near-threshold asymptotics, quoted second-hand from [FoLo12] p. 2 and [Po14] p. 2; not held.
  • [AlTr] Alon, N. and Trotter, W. T., the bound fc(n)<c′nf_c(n)<c'\sqrt n for c<1/4c<1/4, unpublished; cited by [FoLo12] and [Po14] through [Er92], and by [Er87] as Alon's.

Formalization. Statement only. The file ErdosProblems/80.lean of formal-conjectures, as revised on 30 September 2026, defines the book number of a graph, the admissible graphs (at least cn2cn^2 edges, every edge in a triangle) and f c n as the least book number among them, and declares erdos_80.parts.i : answer(False) ↔ ∀ c : ℝ, 0 < c → c < 1 / 2 → ∃ ε > (0 : ℝ), ∀ᶠ n : ℕ in atTop, (n : ℝ) ^ ε < f c n under category research solved, its docstring citing [FoLo12] and the bound fc(n)≥n/6f_c(n)\ge n/6 for c>1/4c>1/4, and erdos_80.parts.ii : answer(sorry) ↔ ∀ c : ℝ, 0 < c → c < 1 / 2 → (fun n : ℕ ↦ (f c n : ℝ)) ≫ (fun n : ℕ ↦ Real.log n) under category research open, both with proof sorry and no formal_proof attribute. Until that revision the two statements were erdos_80 and erdos_80.variants.log, both open. The docstrings explain the bound c<1/2c<1/2 as the feasibility condition and relate f to the inverse function of the file for Problem 600. The community database (accessed 2026-09-18) records the problem open (its record last updated 31 August 2025), the statement formalized since 10 August 2026, and no formal proof.

Current assessment

The question (site formulation accessed 2026-09-18). The statement above; OPEN; last edited 7 April 2026. The commentary, in summary: the problem is Erdős and Rothschild's; Alon and Trotter showed fc(n)≪cn1/2f_c(n)\ll_cn^{1/2} for c<1/4c<1/4; Szemerédi noted that the regularity lemma forces fc(n)→∞f_c(n)\to\infty; the bound fc(n)≥n/6f_c(n)\ge n/6 for c>1/4c>1/4 is credited to Edwards (unpublished) and, independently, to Khadzhiivanov and Nikiforov [KhNi79] (the site's Problem 905); Fox and Loh [FoLo12] proved fc(n)≤nO(1/log⁡log⁡n)f_c(n)\le n^{O(1/\log\log n)} for every c<1/4c<1/4, which the site counts as the disproof of Erdős's first conjecture; the best lower bounds remain the very poor ones from the regularity lemma; and the commentary points to Problem 600 and to the entry in the graphs problem collection. The thread's one comment (4 May 2026) adds Potechin's note and the further origins [Er88], [Er92], [Er98]. The site's page carries no prize.

Origins. [Er87], Problem 11 (p. 226): "Bruce Rothschild and I recently considered the following problem: Let G(n;e)G(n;e) be a graph of nn vertices and ee edges, e≥cn2e\ge cn^2. Assume further that every edge of GG is contained in at least one triangle. Define f(n;c)f(n;c) as the smallest [sic] integer so that in every such graph there is an edge contained in at least f(n;c)f(n;c) triangles. Estimate f(n;c)f(n;c) as well as possible. Noga Alon showed that f(n;c)<αcnf(n;c)<\alpha_c\sqrt n and Szemeredi observed that his regularity Lemma implies f(n;c)→∞f(n;c)\to\infty for every c>0c>0. Is it true that f(n;c)>nεf(n;c)>n^\varepsilon (or at least f(n;c)>log⁡nf(n;c)>\log n)?", followed by the inverse function e(n,r)e(n,r), the least edge count forcing an edge in rr triangles, with Ruzsa and Szemerédi's cnr3(n)<e(n;2)=o(n2)cnr_3(n)<e(n;2)=o(n^2) (p. 227; the site's Problem 600). [Er88], Section 10 (pp. 90--91): the same problem as h(n;c)h(n;c), with Szemerédi's lim⁡h(n;c)=∞\lim h(n;c)=\infty, Alon's h(n;c)<c′n1/2h(n;c)<c'n^{1/2} "for small cc", the well-known h(n;c)>c1nh(n;c)>c_1n for c>1/4c>1/4, and a stronger claim with an outlined proof: e>n2/4−cne>n^2/4-cn edges, each in a triangle, force an edge in at least c1(c)nc_1(c)n triangles, best possible by a modification of Alon's construction. [Er92], Problem 14 (pp. 234--236): the problem as g(n;c)g(n;c), "Noga Alon and Trotter observed that for c<14c<\frac14 g(n;c)<k(c)n1/2g(n;c)<k(c)n^{1/2}, for c>14c>\frac14 it is easy to see that g(n;c)>αcng(n;c)>\alpha_cn", the edge-count form g(n;k)g(n;k) with g(n;k)>f(c)ng(n;k)>f(c)n for k>n2/4−cnk>n^2/4-cn, the question (2) g(n;c)>log⁡ng(n;c)>\log n quoted under Formulation, then the inverse function e(n;k)e(n;k) and, on p. 236, "I offer a prize of one thousand dollars for clearing up these questions"; the offer is printed after the e(n;k)e(n;k) passage and is recorded here as printed, without attaching it to this problem alone. The site's attribution of the n\sqrt n bound to Alon and Trotter, with the proviso c<1/4c<1/4, follows [Er92]; [Er87] and [Er88] name Alon alone. The original 1987 attribution of the n\sqrt n bound to Alon and the Alon--Trotter construction are unpublished as far as the sources recorded here show.

What is proved.

  • For every fixed c<1/4c<1/4, no power of nn is forced: Theorem 1.1 of [FoLo12] (arXiv v2 p. 2) gives, for all sufficiently large nn, nn-vertex graphs with n24(1−e−(log⁡n)1/6)\frac{n^2}4(1-e^{-(\log n)^{1/6}}) edges, every edge in a triangle, and no edge in more than n14/log⁡log⁡nn^{14/\log\log n} triangles; since these graphs have at least cn2cn^2 edges once nn is large, fc(n)≤n14/log⁡log⁡nf_c(n)\le n^{14/\log\log n}, which is below nϵn^\epsilon for every fixed ϵ>0\epsilon>0 and large nn. The paper: "We give a negative answer to this question. In fact, Theorem 1.1 below implies that h(n,c)=no(1)h(n,c)=n^{o(1)} for every fixed c<1/4c<1/4." The previous upper bound was Alon and Trotter's O(n)O(\sqrt n). Acceptance evidence: refereed publication in Combinatorica (the Crossref record gives volume 32, issue 6, December 2012); the version cited is the preprint, not compared with the journal text. The result, its postings, its scope and its acceptance evidence are recorded on the claim page Fox and Loh 2012. Read depth: claims checked for the definition, Theorem 1.1 and the surrounding paragraphs; the construction (Section 3) was not read.
  • For c≥1/4c\ge1/4 the forced book is linear: every nn-vertex graph with more than n2/4n^2/4 edges has an edge in at least n/6n/6 triangles, by Edwards and by Khadzhiivanov and Nikiforov independently, so fc(n)≥n/6f_c(n)\ge n/6 for c>1/4c>1/4 ([FoLo12] p. 2; [Po14] p. 2, which states the bound for all c≥1/4c\ge1/4). The 1979 note and Edwards's announcement are not held, but Corollary 3 (p. 45) of [Kh88] proves the bound with strict inequality from the paper's Theorem 1 and Lemma 4, without using the hypothesis that every edge lies in a triangle; its Corollary 4 (same page) gives an edge in at least n/6n/6 triangles in every graph with at least [n2/4][n^2/4] edges and at least one triangle, which covers c=1/4c=1/4 exactly, since a graph with at least n2/4n^2/4 edges, each in a triangle, has at least [n2/4][n^2/4] edges and a triangle (an observation made here); and its Corollary 5 gives the exact minimum ⌈n/6⌉\lceil n/6\rceil over graphs with at least [n2/4][n^2/4] edges and a triangle. The result, its postings and its standing are recorded on the claim page Khadzhiivanov and Nikiforov 1979. Erdős's 1988 passage states the linear bound for c>1/4c>1/4 as well known and outlines a proof of the stronger claim for e>n2/4−cne>n^2/4-cn. The transition at c=1/4c=1/4 is, in Fox and Loh's words ([FoLo12] p. 2), "a sharp transition ... when cc is near 1/41/4".
  • For every fixed c>0c>0, fc(n)→∞f_c(n)\to\infty (Szemerédi, through the regularity lemma and the triangle removal lemma), and the removal lemma with Fox's bound gives fc(n)≥2Ω(log⁡∗n)f_c(n)\ge2^{\Omega(\log^*n)} ([FoLo12] p. 2; [Po14] p. 2 states the same). This is the best lower bound in the sources recorded here for fixed c<1/4c<1/4, far below log⁡n\log n.
  • Near the threshold, with n2/4−nf(n)n^2/4-nf(n) edges: Bollobás and Nikiforov (second-hand) give (1+o(1))n/(22f(n))(1+o(1))n/(2\sqrt{2f(n)}) for f(n)=Θ(nγ)f(n)=\Theta(n^\gamma), 0<γ<2/50<\gamma<2/5, and Theorem 1.3 of [Po14] with its Corollary 1.5 extend the lower bounds, for 0<γ<10<\gamma<1, to Θ(n1−γ/2)\Theta(n^{1-\gamma/2}) for γ≤2/3\gamma\le2/3 and Ω(n2−2γ)\Omega(n^{2-2\gamma}) for γ≥2/3\gamma\ge2/3 (an arXiv note with no journal version found; claims checked, proof read for structure). Fox and Loh add (arXiv v2 p. 2) that the Bollobás--Nikiforov behavior already breaks down when f(n)=n1−αf(n)=n^{1-\alpha} for some absolute constant α>0\alpha>0. These results concern densities near 1/41/4 (Theorem 1.3 allows any f(n)≤n/1000f(n)\le n/1000, densities in [1/4−1/1000,1/4)[1/4-1/1000,1/4), tending to 1/41/4 only when f(n)=o(n)f(n)=o(n)) and give no bound that grows with nn for a fixed c<1/4c<1/4.

The bounds map: 2Ω(log⁡∗n)≤fc(n)≤n14/log⁡log⁡n2^{\Omega(\log^*n)}\le f_c(n)\le n^{14/\log\log n} for fixed c<1/4c<1/4; n/6≤fc(n)≤n−2n/6\le f_c(n)\le n-2 for c≥1/4c\ge1/4 (the upper bound trivial, a book having at most n−2n-2 pages), so the order there is Θ(n)\Theta(n); the open questions are whether fc(n)≫log⁡nf_c(n)\gg\log n for fixed c<1/4c<1/4, and the order of fc(n)f_c(n) there.

Search scope. None of the routes below found a bound for fixed c<1/4c<1/4 beyond those above, a proof or disproof of fc(n)≫log⁡nf_c(n)\gg\log n, or a proof claim.

  • The site: problem page, discussion thread and proof-claim tab; the formal-conjectures file of 2026-09-18 (statement only); the community database of 2026-09-18.
  • arXiv: the API records of 1106.0290 (two versions, no journal reference) and 1412.1838 (one version, no journal reference); the API query abs:Rothschild AND abs:triangle AND (abs:book OR abs:"common edge") (one record, [Po14]).
  • Crossref: the record of [FoLo12] (by bibliographic query, then by DOI); bibliographic queries for [Po14] (no record; the hits were papers on the edge-coloring problem also called the Erdős--Rothschild problem, a different question) and for [KhNi79] (no record).
  • OpenAlex: the six works citing [FoLo12], by title (induced matchings, graph removal lemmas, Ruzsa--Szemerédi graphs and protocols); none on the book function. Semantic Scholar's citation records for [FoLo12] and [Po14] were not consulted.
  • The primary sources, at the pages stated: [FoLo12] pp. 1--2, [Po14] pp. 1--3, [Er87] pp. 226--227, [Er88] pp. 90--91 and [Er92] pp. 234--236.

Not searched: MathSciNet, zbMATH, Google Scholar, X. Not held: [KhNi79], [Ed77] (unpublished), [BoNi05], the Alon--Trotter argument; the journal text of [FoLo12]. The proof of the n/6n/6 bound is in [Kh88], the 1988 account.

Remaining gaps. (1) The estimate and the logarithmic question are open for fixed c<1/4c<1/4; the gap between 2Ω(log⁡∗n)2^{\Omega(\log^*n)} and nO(1/log⁡log⁡n)n^{O(1/\log\log n)} is the attack candidate, with the reopening condition a bound of order log⁡n\log n or a construction with bounded books. (2) The c≥1/4c\ge1/4 regime is proved in the 1988 account [Kh88] (Corollaries 3 and 4, at claims-checked depth); the original 1979 note [KhNi79] and Edwards's announcement [Ed77] are not held. (3) Proof coverage is statements only for [FoLo12] and [Po14]. (4) The thread's key [Er98] has no entry in the References above, a thread comment being no citation source; [BoNi05] and the Alon--Trotter construction are second-hand. (5) The formal-conjectures file marks its first part answered no on [FoLo12], without a formal proof; its logarithmic part is open.

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