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Problem 191

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claims/: The 2 claim pages of Problem 191, one per claimant's result; the problem's standing derives from them.


Statement. Let C>0C>0 be arbitrary. Is it true that, if nn is sufficiently large depending on CC, then in any 22-colouring of ({2,…,n}2)\binom{\{2,\ldots,n\}}{2} there exists some X⊆{2,…,n}X\subseteq \{2,\ldots,n\} such that (X2)\binom{X}{2} is monochromatic and

∑x∈X1log⁡x≥C?\sum_{x\in X}\frac{1}{\log x}\geq C?

Formulation. The site's wording, accessed 2026-09-18 (page last edited 8 February 2026). A set XX with (X2)\binom X2 monochromatic is a monochromatic clique; the weight ∑x∈X1/log⁡x\sum_{x\in X}1/\log x is, up to the constant factor a change of logarithm base introduces (Conlon, Fox and Sudakov take logarithms to base 2, p. 4), the w(S)w(S) of Conlon, Fox and Sudakov, whose f(n)f(n) is the least, over all 22-colorings of the pairs of {2,…,n}\{2,\ldots,n\}, of the largest weight of a monochromatic clique, so the question asks whether f(n)→∞f(n)\to\infty. The vertex set starts at 22 because log⁡1=0\log1=0. Erdős's own wordings differ in inessential ways: his 1981 Combinatorica paper (p. 15 of the re-typeset copy, the site's locator) takes a graph on all the integers and asks for sup⁡∑1/log⁡ni\sup\sum1/\log n_i over independent or complete sets; the 1979 chapter (p. 333) and the 1980 monograph (p. 17) partition "the pairs of positive integers into two classes" and ask whether the sums ∑x∈X1/log⁡x\sum_{x\in X}1/\log x "are unbounded"; the 1982 collection (p. 78) uses the weight 1/(1+log⁡i)1/(1+\log i) on the vertices 1≤i≤n1\le i\le n. Each is the question above up to a bounded change of weight. The site's commentary calls Rödl's construction a lower bound for the problem; in terms of the largest forced weight f(n)f(n) it is an upper bound, f(n)=O(log⁡log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=O(\log\log\log n), a point a reader raised in the thread on 5 February 2026.

Status. Proved: the site labels the problem PROVED (LEAN). The answer is yes: Rödl (J. Combin. Theory Ser. A 102 (2003), 229--240) proved that f(n)→∞f(n)\to\infty, with f(n)=Ω(log⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡n/log⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=\Omega(\log\log\log\log n/\log\log\log\log\log n), the rate both second-hand accounts give (under Rödl's results below), and gave a coloring showing f(n)=O(log⁡log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=O(\log\log\log n); Theorem 1.1 of Conlon, Fox and Sudakov (Duke Math. J. 162 (2013), 2903--2927) gives f(n)≥2−8log⁡log⁡log⁡nf(n)\ge2^{-8}\log\log\log n for large nn, so f(n)=Θ(log⁡log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=\Theta(\log\log\log n). Rödl's paper is not held, so his results are quoted second-hand from the Conlon--Fox--Sudakov introduction, the site and Erdős's 1982 report; the refereed theorem of Conlon, Fox and Sudakov (cited from the arXiv version headed "Accepted for publication in Duke Mathematical Journal") answers the question on its own. The site's "(Lean)" suffix is a catalog label explained under Formalization: an external Lean file that declares itself a formalization of Rödl's result states the problem and claims a proof (not built or checked here); it is linked from Rödl's claim page. The claim pages Rödl 2003 and Conlon, Fox and Sudakov 2011 record the two refereed proofs with their postings and acceptance evidence; the frontmatter standing derives from these pages.

Source. erdosproblems.com/191, accessed 2026-09-18: the problem page (labeled PROVED (LEAN), which the site glosses as solved in the affirmative with the proof verified in Lean; last edited 8 February 2026; source keys [ErGr79, p. 333], [ErGr80, p. 17], [Er81, p. 15], [Er82e, p. 78]; commentary citing [Ro03] and [CFS13]), its one-comment discussion thread (5 February 2026) and its empty proof-claim tab. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #191, https://www.erdosproblems.com/191, accessed 2026-09-18.

References.

  • [Ro03] Rödl, V., On homogeneous sets of positive integers. J. Combin. Theory Ser. A 102 (2003), no. 1, 229--240; DOI 10.1016/S0097-3165(03)00026-8 (the Crossref record carries the publisher's open-archive license from 17 July 2013). Not held. Quoted here from [CFS13] pp. 2--3 and from the site.
  • [CFS13] Conlon, D., Fox, J. and Sudakov, B., Two extensions of Ramsey's theorem. Duke Math. J. 162 (2013), no. 15, 2903--2927; DOI 10.1215/00127094-2382566; arXiv:1112.1548v2 (16 October 2013). Theorem 1.1 on p. 3, the definitions and Rödl's results on pp. 2--3, Conjecture 5.1 on p. 15 (preprint pages). Library home: conlon_2013_two_extensions_ramsey_s_theorem; result page theorem_1_1.
  • [Er81] Erdős, P., On the combinatorial problems which I would most like to see solved. Combinatorica 1 (1981), 25--42; the passage on p. 15 of the re-typeset copy, which has its own pagination (the site's locator). Library home: erdos_1981_combinatorial_problems_which_i_would_most (the passage is quoted below).
  • [ErGr79] Erdős, P. and Graham, R. L., Old and new problems and results in combinatorial number theory: van der Waerden's theorem and related topics. L'Enseignement Math. (2) 25 (1979), 325--344; printed p. 333. Library home: erdos_1979_old_new_problems_results_combinatorial_number.
  • [ErGr80] Erdős, P. and Graham, R. L., Old and new problems and results in combinatorial number theory. Monographies de L'Enseignement Mathématique 28, Université de Genève (1980); printed p. 17, the same passage as [ErGr79]. Library home: erdos_1980_old_new_problems_results_combinatorial_number_theory.
  • [Er82e] Erdős, P., Some of my favourite problems which recently have been solved. Proceedings of the International Mathematical Conference (Singapore, 1981), North-Holland Math. Stud. 74 (1982), 59--79; printed p. 78. Library home: erdos_1982_my_favourite_problems_which_recently_have.

Formalization. The site's "(Lean)" suffix is a catalog label; see "Formalization and the Lean label" below. The file ErdosProblems/191.lean of formal-conjectures, added at the linked commit on 19 September 2026, declares erdos_191 : answer(True) ↔ ∀ C : ℝ, 0 < C → ∀ᶠ n : ℕ in atTop, ∀ G : SimpleGraph (Finset.Icc 2 n), ∃ X : Finset (Finset.Icc 2 n), (G.IsClique X ∨ G.IsIndepSet X) ∧ C ≤ ∑ x ∈ X, 1 / Real.log (x : ℕ) under category research solved. It has proof sorry and a formal_proof attribute pointing at line 1272 of the external file below. It adds three solved variants (conlon_fox_sudakov, rodl_upper, three_colours) without proofs. The community database lists the problem "proved (Lean)", with formal status Lean and no formal-proof URL, as of its entry's last update on 24 August 2026, and the statement formalized since 19 September 2026. The external file src/latest/ErdosProblems/Erdos191.lean of Boris Alexeev's lean-proofs repository (GitHub user plby), at the linked commit (committer date 15 September 2026), states the problem and claims a proof (not built or checked here).

Current assessment

The question (site formulation, accessed 2026-09-18). The statement above; PROVED (LEAN), last edited 8 February 2026. The site's commentary answers yes and credits the proof to Rödl [Ro03]; it records from the same paper a coloring, for every nn, of the pairs of {2,…,n}\{2,\ldots,n\} in which every XX with (X2)\binom X2 monochromatic has ∑x∈X1/log⁡x≪log⁡log⁡log⁡n\sum_{x\in X}1/\log x\ll\log\log\log n, which it calls a lower bound for the problem, and Rödl's proof that the answer to the corresponding question for 33-colorings is negative; and it credits Conlon, Fox and Sudakov [CFS13] with showing that order best possible, giving their bound 2−8log⁡log⁡log⁡n2^{-8}\log\log\log n. The thread's one comment (5 February 2026) restates the three-color failure, sets Erdős's 1982 remark that Rödl's paper would appear soon (quoted under The origins) against a publication more than two decades later, and asks whether the commentary's lower bound should read upper bound; the site notes that it was updated to address the comment. The proof-claim tab is empty.

The origins. [Er81], p. 15 of the re-typeset copy: "Let G\mathcal G be a graph whose vertices are the integers. Consider sup⁡∑1log⁡ni\sup\sum\frac1{\log n_i} where the set of vertices n1<n2<…n_1<n_2<\ldots either are independent or form a complete graph. I conjecture sup⁡∑1log⁡ni=∞\sup\sum\frac1{\log n_i}=\infty. Ramsey's theorem is just too weak to give this and I could not settle the conjecture. Clearly it also has a finite form, one would have to estimate how fast max⁡∑ni<X1log⁡ni\max\sum_{n_i<X}\frac1{\log n_i} tends to infinity." [ErGr79], p. 333, and identically [ErGr80], p. 17: "Is it true that for any partition of the pairs of positive integers into two classes, the sums ∑x∈X1log⁡x\sum_{x\in X}\frac1{\log x} are unbounded where XX ranges over all subsets which have all pairs belonging to one class?" [Er82e], p. 78, in the "last minute corrections and additions" written at a meeting in Eger: "Several years ago I conjectured that if one colours the edges (i,j)(i,j), 1≤i<j≤n1\le i<j\le n, by two colours, then if tt is any given number and n>n0(t)n>n_0(t) then there is always a monochromatic complete graph having the vertices 1≤i1<…<ik≤n1\le i_1<\ldots<i_k\le n for which (3) ∑r=1k11+log⁡ir>t\sum_{r=1}^k\frac1{1+\log i_r}>t. The interest of (3) is that it does not follow immediately from Ramsey's theorem. Rödl now proved (3)." With F(n)F(n) the minimum over colorings of the largest such sum (display (4)): "Rödl proved that c1log⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡nlog⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡n<F(n)<c2log⁡log⁡log⁡nc_1\frac{\log\log\log\log n}{\log\log\log\log\log n}<F(n)<c_2\log\log\log n. He also showed that (3) fails for colouring with three colours. His paper on this subject will appear soon."

Rödl's results, second-hand. [CFS13], p. 2: "In his paper 'On the combinatorial problems I would most like to see solved', Erdős [6] conjectured that f(n)f(n) tends to infinity and, furthermore, asked for an accurate estimate of f(n)f(n). Soon after, Rödl [18] verified this conjecture, showing that f(n)=Ω(log⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡nlog⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=\Omega(\frac{\log\log\log\log n}{\log\log\log\log\log n}). In the other direction, by considering a uniform random coloring of the edges, one can easily obtain f(n)=O(log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=O(\log\log n). Rödl [18] improved this upper bound further to f(n)=O(log⁡log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=O(\log\log\log n)." (The rate, four logarithms over five, is the one Erdős's 1982 report, quoted above, announced before publication.) The construction (pp. 2--3): cover [2,n][2,n] by t=⌈log⁡log⁡n⌉t=\lceil\log\log n\rceil intervals [22i−1,22i)[2^{2^{i-1}},2^{2^i}); inside the iith interval use a coloring whose monochromatic cliques have order at most 2i+12^{i+1}, so that, every element having logarithm at least 2i−12^{i-1}, a monochromatic clique inside one interval has weight at most 44; color the edges between the iith and jjth intervals by the color of (i,j)(i,j) in a coloring of KtK_t whose monochromatic cliques have order O(log⁡t)O(\log t); every monochromatic clique then meets O(log⁡t)O(\log t) intervals and has weight O(log⁡log⁡log⁡n)O(\log\log\log n). For three colors (p. 3, "as observed by Rödl"): color inside the intervals as before and every edge between intervals green; red and blue cliques lie inside one interval and weigh at most 44, and a green clique weighs at most ∑i≥12−i+1≤2\sum_{i\ge1}2^{-i+1}\le2, so the analog of the question fails for three colors. These are the site's lower bound (a coloring, hence an upper bound on f(n)f(n)) and its negative answer for three colorings. Rödl's paper is not held; the reopening condition is a copy of the paper.

Status-defining source. Theorem 1.1 of [CFS13] (p. 3): "For nn sufficiently large, every 22-coloring of the edges of the complete graph on the interval {2,…,n}\{2,\ldots,n\} contains a monochromatic clique with vertex set SS such that ∑s∈S1log⁡s≥2−8log⁡log⁡log⁡n\sum_{s\in S}\frac1{\log s}\ge2^{-8}\log\log\log n. Hence, f(n)=Θ(log⁡log⁡log⁡n)f(n)=\Theta(\log\log\log n)." The passage to the site's question is one line, made here: given C>0C>0, every nn above the theorem's threshold with 2−8log⁡log⁡log⁡n≥C2^{-8}\log\log\log n\ge C has a monochromatic XX of weight at least CC, which is the statement with "sufficiently large depending on CC". The proof (Section 3, with the lemma of Section 2; not read) follows Rödl's argument and adds two tools, dependent random choice and a weighted form of Ramsey's theorem (p. 3). Acceptance evidence: the paper appeared in Duke Math. J. 162 (2013), no. 15, 2903--2927 (the arXiv record's journal reference and the Crossref record), a refereed journal; the version cited is the arXiv v2 headed "Accepted for publication in Duke Mathematical Journal", and the journal text was not compared, so the locators are preprint pages. Read depth: claims checked for Theorem 1.1, the definitions and the attributions of pp. 2--3 and for Conjecture 5.1 and the remarks of p. 15; the proof was not read, and nothing is independently reviewed here.

The constant. Section 5.1 of [CFS13] (p. 15) conjectures the constant in terms of c0=lim⁡n→∞(log⁡r(n))/nc_0=\lim_{n\to\infty}(\log r(n))/n, whose existence is the site's Problem 77: Conjecture 5.1, f(n)=(c0−2+o(1))log⁡log⁡log⁡nf(n)=(c_0^{-2}+o(1))\log\log\log n if the limit exists. The authors show that a modification of Rödl's construction gives f(n)≤(c0−2+o(1))log⁡log⁡log⁡nf(n)\le(c_0^{-2}+o(1))\log\log\log n and sketch that a careful version of their proof gives f(n)≥(14−o(1))log⁡log⁡log⁡nf(n)\ge(\frac14-o(1))\log\log\log n, "which would be sharp if the exponential constant in the upper bound for diagonal Ramsey numbers is best possible, i.e., if c0=2c_0=2". Nothing found since determines the constant (search below).

Formalization and the Lean label. The site's "(Lean)" suffix is a catalog label. Since 19 September 2026 the formal-conjectures statement erdos_191 has carried a formal_proof attribute pointing at the artifact below; the community database's "proved (Lean)", listed as of its entry's last update on 24 August 2026, names no file. The artifact behind the label is src/latest/ErdosProblems/Erdos191.lean in Boris Alexeev's lean-proofs repository (GitHub user plby), at the commit linked under Formalization (committer date 15 September 2026): a file of 62,820 bytes and 1,403 lines for Lean and Mathlib v4.33.0 that names Rödl as its informal author and Codex and GPT-5.6 Sol as its formal authors, imports Mathlib and a repository utility module (Util.Ramsey), defines Vertices n as the subtype of Finset.Icc 2 n, weight x as (Real.log x)⁻¹, Monochromatic G X as "X is a clique or an independent set of the simple graph G" and HasLargeMonochromaticSet C n as "every simple graph on Vertices n has a finset X that is monochromatic with C ≤ ∑ x ∈ X, weight x.1", and states erdos_191 : ∀ C : ℝ, 0 < C → ∃ N : ℕ, ∀ n ≥ N, HasLargeMonochromaticSet C n (line 1272), for which it claims a proof. Its module comment describes the proof as "a qualitative finite specialization of the block argument of Rödl and Conlon--Fox--Sudakov" through widely separated blocks, pigeonhole thinning and a final Ramsey argument on the block indices. The file contains no sorry, no axiom declaration and no native_decide, and ends with #print axioms Erdos191.erdos_191 without recording the output. A simple graph on the vertex set plays the part of one color class, so the definition matches the site's two-coloring; the statement matches the site's question with the coloring so encoded. No fidelity review exists, this corpus has built and kernel-checked neither the file nor its utility module, and no local kernel credit is claimed. The AI-tool authorship is recorded as provenance only.

Search scope. None of the routes below found a copy of [Ro03], a determination of the constant in f(n)f(n), or a dispute of the theorem.

  • The site: problem page, discussion thread and proof-claim tab; the formal-conjectures directory listing at its main head of that date (no file for this problem; 191.lean was added on 19 September 2026, see Formalization); the community database record; the external Lean file at the commit linked under Formalization, through the GitHub API.
  • arXiv API: the record of 1112.1548 (two versions; the journal reference and DOI above) and the search abs:"monochromatic clique" AND abs:weight AND abs:log (one record, on rainbow triangles, unrelated).
  • Crossref: the records of [Ro03] and [CFS13] (the latter through a bibliographic query).
  • Semantic Scholar: the paper record of [Ro03] (open-access status "bronze" at the publisher, three citations) and the citation lists of [Ro03] and [CFS13] (three and two records: [CFS13] itself, Conlon, Fox and Sudakov's 2015 survey and a 2013 chapter on Ramsey theory in Erdős's work; titles only).
  • A request for [Ro03] to the publisher's full-text endpoint (HTTP 403).
  • The primary sources at the pages stated: [CFS13] pp. 2--3 and 15; [Er81] p. 15, [ErGr79] p. 333, [ErGr80] p. 17 and [Er82e] p. 78.

Not searched: MathSciNet, zbMATH, Google Scholar, X. Not held: [Ro03]. Not compared: the Duke text of [CFS13].

Remaining gaps. (1) Rödl's paper, the first proof and the source of the construction and the three-color remark, is not held; everything attributed to it is second-hand from [CFS13], [Er82e] and the site, which agree on the rate of his lower bound; reopening condition: a copy of J. Combin. Theory Ser. A 102 (2003), 229--240, which the publisher's record marks as open archive. (2) Proof coverage is at the level of statements; the proof of Theorem 1.1 was not read. (3) The Lean artifact is unbuilt and unchecked here, at a branch head rather than a fixed release, and its encoding of the coloring is related to the site's words here without a fidelity review. (4) The constant in f(n)f(n) is open (Conjecture 5.1). (5) The site's lower-bound wording is recorded above.

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