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Problem 1167

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Statement. Let r≥2r\geq 2 be finite and λ\lambda be an infinite cardinal. Let κα\kappa_\alpha be cardinals for all α<γ\alpha<\gamma.

Is it true that

2λ→(κα+1)α<γr+12^\lambda \to (\kappa_\alpha+1)_{\alpha<\gamma}^{r+1}

implies

λ→(κα)α<γr?\lambda \to (\kappa_\alpha)_{\alpha<\gamma}^{r}?

Here ++ means cardinal addition, so that κα+1=κα\kappa_\alpha+1=\kappa_\alpha if κα\kappa_\alpha is infinite.

Statement (corrected). Let r≥2r\geq 2 be finite and λ\lambda be an infinite cardinal. Let γ≥2\gamma\geq 2 and let κα>r\kappa_\alpha>r be cardinals for all α<γ\alpha<\gamma.

Is it true that

2λ→(κα+1)α<γr+12^\lambda \to (\kappa_\alpha+1)_{\alpha<\gamma}^{r+1}

implies

λ→(κα)α<γr?\lambda \to (\kappa_\alpha)_{\alpha<\gamma}^{r}?

Here ++ means cardinal addition, so that κα+1=κα\kappa_\alpha+1=\kappa_\alpha if κα\kappa_\alpha is infinite.

Notes. The site's wording follows the booklet item [Va99, 7.79] and puts no condition on γ\gamma or on the κα\kappa_\alpha, and, read as the site words it, the implication is false. For γ=1\gamma=1 and κ0=λ+\kappa_0=\lambda^+, the premise 2λ→(λ+)1r+12^\lambda\to(\lambda^+)^{r+1}_1 says only that 2λ≥λ+2^\lambda\ge\lambda^+, which holds, while λ→(λ+)1r\lambda\to(\lambda^+)^r_1 needs a subset of λ\lambda of size λ+\lambda^+. For γ=2\gamma=2, κ0=λ+\kappa_0=\lambda^+ and κ1=r\kappa_1=r, the premise holds: either some (r+1)(r+1)-set has color 11, or all of 2λ2^\lambda is homogeneous in color 00. The constant coloring of [λ]r[\lambda]^r with color 00 refutes the conclusion. Both failures are boundary cases of a dropped range, and the change adds the conditions γ≥2\gamma\ge2 and κα>r\kappa_\alpha>r of the Erdős–Hajnal list, which exclude them. Komjáth's Problem 2 ([Ko25b], p. 419) states the question for finite rr with κν>r\kappa_\nu>r and a condition on γ\gamma that the site's curator reads as γ≥2\gamma\ge2, taking the printed inequality for a misprint. The curator's reply in the discussion thread points to these conditions rather than accepting a disproof, and the site keeps the label OPEN. The formal-conjectures statement file adds γ≥2\gamma\ge2 and κα>r\kappa_\alpha>r and proves the first counterexample as its test lemma erdos_1167.unrestricted_is_false. That lemma is in a statement file, so it is not a formalization link and gets no claim page, and the corpus has not built it. Rafik Zeraoulia gave the first counterexample in a note of 31 January 2026. It answers the site's wording, not the corrected Statement, so it does not count toward the problem's standing; it is credited here and recorded on Zeraoulia's rejected claim page. The problem's standing judges the corrected Statement.

Status. The site's label is OPEN. The corrected Statement, with the conditions γ≥2\gamma\ge2 and κα>r\kappa_\alpha>r, is open; the counterexample to the site's wording at γ=1\gamma=1 is credited in the Notes and recorded on a rejected claim page.

Source. erdosproblems.com/1167, accessed 2026-09-04. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #1167, https://www.erdosproblems.com/1167.

References.

  • [ErHa71] Erdős, P. and Hajnal, A., Unsolved problems in set theory. Axiomatic Set Theory (Proc. Sympos. Pure Math., Vol. XIII, Part I) (1971), 17-48.
  • [EHMR84] Erdős, P., Hajnal, A., Máté, A. and Rado, R., Combinatorial set theory: partition relations for cardinals. Studies in Logic and the Foundations of Mathematics 106, North-Holland (1984).
  • [Va99] Some of Paul's favorite problems, booklet for the conference "Paul Erdős and his mathematics", Budapest, July 1999; item 7.79.
  • [Ko25b] P. Komjáth, The Erdős-Hajnal Problem List. Bull. Symb. Log. (2025), 418-461; Problem 2, p. 419 (source card).

Formalization. Statement in formal-conjectures.

Current assessment

The site's Statement, as the site gave it on 2026-09-04 (page last edited 1 September 2026), puts no condition on γ\gamma or on the κα\kappa_\alpha, and, read as the site words it, it is false: for γ=1\gamma=1 and κ0=λ+\kappa_0=\lambda^+ the premise holds and the conclusion fails. Rafik Zeraoulia gave this counterexample in a note of 31 January 2026, recorded as rejected on Zeraoulia's page, since it answers the site's wording, not the corrected Statement. The site labels the problem OPEN, and its curator's reply in the discussion thread points to the conditions of the Erdős–Hajnal list rather than accepting a disproof. The corrected Statement, which adds those conditions, is the statement this page's standing judges.

The corrected Statement, with the list's conditions 2≤r<ω2\le r<\omega, γ≥2\gamma\ge2 and κα>r\kappa_\alpha>r, is open. Erdős, Hajnal, Máté and Rado prove five cases of it (see Known Results), and the case Erdős and Hajnal named as the most difficult in [ErHa71], r=2r=2 with one singular κα\kappa_\alpha and the others finite, is open even under GCH. This page records no current literature search beyond the site, its thread, the formal-conjectures file and Komjáth's survey.

Known Results

Erdős, Hajnal, Máté and Rado [EHMR84] prove the implication, under the list's conditions, in five cases: all κα\kappa_\alpha finite; κ0\kappa_0 and κ1\kappa_1 infinite with κ0\kappa_0 regular; r≥3r\ge3 with κ0\kappa_0 infinite and regular; r≥3r\ge3 with κ0\kappa_0 and κ1\kappa_1 infinite; r≥4r\ge4 with κ0\kappa_0 infinite. Komjáth's Problem 2 commentary records the same cases from their Section 24. These are partial results on the corrected Statement, recorded on [[problems/set_theory/E1167/claims/1984_01_01_erdos_hajnal_mate_rado|the monograph's page]].