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Statement

Section 8, "Open questions" (pp. 160--161), states the diagonal complete-bipartite question and the bounds known to the authors.

The question (p. 160). "In Section 6 it is shown, for mm fixed and nn sufficiently large, that {Km,n}\{K_{m,n}\} is an oo-sequence. The arguments used there for the lower bound are not valid when mm is allowed to grow large with nn. It is thus an open question as to whether {Kn,n}\{K_{n,n}\} is an oo-sequence." A sequence {Gn}\{G_n\} is an oo-sequence if r^(Gn)=o(R^(Gn))\hat r(G_n)=o(\hat R(G_n)) with R^(Gn)=(r(Gn)2)\hat R(G_n)=\binom{r(G_n)}2 (Definition, p. 146).

The bounds (pp. 160--161). "Bounds for r(Kn,n)r(K_{n,n}) are a1n2n/2≤r(Kn,n)≤a2n2na_1n2^{n/2}\le r(K_{n,n})\le a_2n2^n and proved in [3]" (Chung and Graham, J. Combin. Theory Ser. B 18 (1975)). "By a straightforward probabilistic argument one can show that r^(Kn,n)≥b1n22n/2\hat r(K_{n,n})\ge b_1n^22^{n/2}. Hence, using the upper bound given in Theorem 6, one obtains

b1n22n/2≤r^(Kn,n)≤b2n32n−1.b_1n^22^{n/2}\le\hat r(K_{n,n})\le b_2n^32^{n-1}.

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Note that r(Kn,n)r(K_{n,n}) here is the ordinary Ramsey number, not r^\hat r. The same section lists, for nn sufficiently large and appropriate constants, b1m2m−1n≤r^(Km,n)≤b2m22m−1nb_1m2^{m-1}n\le\hat r(K_{m,n})\le b_2m^22^{m-1}n, c1m2n2≤r^(Km+K‾n)≤c242mn2c_1m^2n^2\le\hat r(K_m+\overline K_n)\le c_24^{2m}n^2 and d1m3n2≤r^(Km⊕K‾n)≤d2m4n2d_1m^3n^2\le\hat r(K_m\oplus\overline K_n)\le d_2m^4n^2, "explicitly given or implied by the results of Theorems 6, 8, 9 and 10", and states that r^(Km∗K‾n)\hat r(K_m*\overline K_n) is known up to a constant, a1m2n2≤r^(Km∗K‾n)≤a2m2n2a_1m^2n^2\le\hat r(K_m*\overline K_n)\le a_2m^2n^2 (Theorems 5 and 8); "It would be nice to determine each of these size Ramsey numbers up to a constant."

The path passage (p. 161). The section closes: "Determination of the exact size Ramsey number for even a simple graph like a path, PnP_n, on nn vertices seems quite difficult. It is well known (see [6]) that r(Pn)=n+[n/2]−1r(P_n)=n+[n/2]-1. In [5] it is shown that Kn,n→PnK_{n,n}\to P_n. Thus r^(Pn)≤n2<R^(Pn)\hat r(P_n)\le n^2<\hat R(P_n). It would be interesting to know if lim⁡n→∞r^(Pn)/n\lim_{n\to\infty}\hat r(P_n)/n exists, and if so determine its value. An easier but still apparently difficult question is to determine if {Pn}\{P_n\} is an oo-sequence." Here [5] is Faudree and Schelp, Path-path Ramsey-type numbers for the complete bipartite graph, J. Combin. Theory Ser. B 19 (1975), 161--173, and [6] is Gerencsér and Gyárfás, On Ramsey-type problems, Ann. Univ. Sci. Budapest. Eötvös Sect. Math. 10 (1967), 167--170 (neither held). The paper asks about paths only; it contains no question about cycles.

Source. P. Erdős, R. J. Faudree, C. C. Rousseau and R. H. Schelp, The size Ramsey number, Period. Math. Hungar. 9 (1978), 145--161; Section 8 on printed pp. 160--161 (PDF pp. 16--17 of the archive scan), read on the page images, the displayed bounds also on a 260 dpi crop. The OCR text layer garbles the exponents.

Read depth. Claims checked: the question, the displayed bounds and the path passage were read clause by clause on the page images. The "straightforward probabilistic argument" for the lower bound is not written out in the paper and was not reconstructed here.

Proof pointer

None for the diagonal lower bound beyond the phrase quoted; the upper bound is Theorem 6 applied at m=nm=n, outside that theorem's stated hypothesis (mm fixed). Conlon, Fox and Wigderson's Proposition 2.1 gives a self-contained proof of r^(Ks,t)≤4es2t2s\hat r(K_{s,t})\le4es^2t2^s for all s≤ts\le t, which covers the diagonal.

Dependencies

Theorem 6 for the upper bound; the probabilistic method for the lower bound; Chung and Graham 1975 for the ordinary Ramsey number.

Bears on

  • Problem 560: the origin of the question (the diagonal case, posed separately from Problem B on p. 150, which asks the asymptotics with mm fixed) and the first bounds, b1n22n/2≤r^(Kn,n)≤b2n32n−1b_1n^22^{n/2}\le\hat r(K_{n,n})\le b_2n^32^{n-1}.
  • Problem 720: the origin of the path question, asked here as the existence of lim⁡r^(Pn)/n\lim\hat r(P_n)/n and the oo-sequence property; the site's divergence question and its cycle question come from Erdős's later problem papers, not from this page.