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Problem 161

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Statement. Let α∈[0,1/2)\alpha\in[0,1/2) and n,t≥1n,t\geq 1. Let F(t)(n,α)F^{(t)}(n,\alpha) be the smallest mm such that we can 22-colour the edges of the complete tt-uniform hypergraph on nn vertices such that if X⊆[n]X\subseteq [n] with ∣X∣≥m\lvert X\rvert \geq m then there are at least $\alpha \binom{\lvert X\rvert}{t}$ many tt-subsets of XX of each colour.

For fixed n,tn,t as we change α\alpha from 00 to 1/21/2 does F(t)(n,α)F^{(t)}(n,\alpha) increase continuously or are there jumps? Only one jump?

Formulation. The site's wording as accessed on 2026-09-04, which the site corrected on 16 January 2026 from "largest mm" to "smallest mm" after a thread comment, is read as Erdős's source reads it (1990, printed pp. 21--22), because two of its phrases conflict with the site's own commentary. Its "at least α(∣X∣t)\alpha\binom{|X|}{t}" makes the case α=0\alpha=0 vacuous, while the commentary calls that case the usual Ramsey function; Erdős requires more than that many tt-subsets of each color, so F(t)(n,0)F^{(t)}(n,0) is the least mm for which some coloring has no monochromatic set of mm vertices, the inverse of the two-color tt-uniform Ramsey function. The question whether F(t)(n,α)F^{(t)}(n,\alpha) increases continuously or jumps asks, for fixed tt, how the order of growth of F(t)(n,α)F^{(t)}(n,\alpha) as n→∞n\to\infty changes as α\alpha runs through [0,1/2)[0,1/2); for a single nn the function is integer-valued and nondecreasing in α\alpha, so it cannot change continuously, and the fixed-nn reading is degenerate.

Status. Open, the site's label (page last edited 16 January 2026). The one claim is Conlon, Fox and Sudakov's accepted partial claim [CFS11] ([[problems/discrepancy/E0161/claims/2009_01_25_conlon_fox_sudakov|claim page]]): for t=3t=3 the order of growth of F(3)(n,α)F^{(3)}(n,\alpha) is log⁡n\sqrt{\log n} for every fixed α∈(0,1/2)\alpha\in(0,1/2), so no jump occurs inside (0,1/2)(0,1/2). Whether a jump occurs at 00 for t=3t=3, and the whole question for t≥4t\ge4, are open, so the problem stays open.

Source. erdosproblems.com/161, accessed 2026-09-04. Cite as: T. F. Bloom, Erdős Problem #161, https://www.erdosproblems.com/161.

References.

  • [CFS10] Conlon, D., Fox, J. and Sudakov, B., Hypergraph Ramsey numbers. J. Amer. Math. Soc. 23 (2010), no. 1, 247--266, DOI 10.1090/S0894-0347-09-00645-6; arXiv:0808.3760v1 (27 August 2008). Section 6.2, pp. 16--17 of the preprint. Library home: conlon_2008_hypergraph_ramsey_numbers.
  • [CFS11] Conlon, David and Fox, Jacob and Sudakov, Benny, Large almost monochromatic subsets in hypergraphs. Israel J. Math. 181 (2011), no. 1, 423--432, DOI 10.1007/s11856-011-0016-6; arXiv:0901.3912 (25 January 2009). Library home: conlon_2011_large_almost_monochromatic_subsets_hypergraphs.
  • [Er90b] Erdős, Paul, Problems and results on graphs and hypergraphs: similarities and differences. Mathematics of Ramsey theory (1990), 12-28; pp. 21--22, displays (31)--(32) and the jump question. Library home: erdos_1990_problems_results_graphs_hypergraphs_similarities_differences.

Formalization. Statement only. The formal-conjectures file ErdosProblems/161.lean, added on 2026-10-07, states the question in two parts under category research open, both with proof sorry: for fixed tt, which densities α\alpha give threshold functions of the same order of growth as n→∞n\to\infty, and, for fixed t≥3t\ge3, whether every α∈(0,1/2)\alpha\in(0,1/2) gives the same order. It compares growth up to constant factors and requires each color to occur at α=0\alpha=0, the reading the Formulation records. No formal proof exists.

Current assessment

The question (site formulation of 2026-09-04). The statement above, read as the Formulation says; OPEN, with a prize; page last edited 16 January 2026. The site's commentary says that α=0\alpha=0 gives the usual Ramsey function, that the Erdős--Hajnal--Rado conjecture would give F(t)(n,0)≍log⁡t−1nF^{(t)}(n,0)\asymp\log_{t-1}n, credits Erdős and Spencer with a bound of order (log⁡n)1/(t−1)(\log n)^{1/(t-1)} for α>0\alpha>0, and credits [CFS11] with the case t=3t=3, where it says there is only one jump, at α=0\alpha=0. The commentary prints the two inequalities reversed, ≪\ll for [CFS11] and ≫\gg for Erdős and Spencer: the paper's theorem is a lower bound and the random coloring is the upper bound, as Erdős's display (31) also has it. The site's thread holds three comments: the correction of 16 January 2026 recorded under Formulation, acknowledged by the curator the same day, and a comment of 18 October 2025 relating the problem to a hypergraph form of the Nikiforov conjecture. The proof-claim tab is empty.

What is known. Erdős's display (31) [Er90b, p. 21] gives, for α\alpha close to 1/21/2, F2(r)(n,α)≍α(log⁡n)1/(r−1)F_2^{(r)}(n,\alpha)\asymp_\alpha(\log n)^{1/(r-1)}, the upper bound credited to Erdős and Spencer, and display (32) records the bounds of order log⁡r−1n\log_{r-1}n at α=0\alpha=0 that the Erdős--Hajnal--Rado conjecture would give; his guess is that the jump occurs all in one step at 00. For t=3t=3, Theorem 1 of [CFS11] gives F(3)(n,α)≫αlog⁡nF^{(3)}(n,\alpha)\gg_\alpha\sqrt{\log n} for every fixed α>0\alpha>0, and the random coloring gives the matching ≪αlog⁡n\ll_\alpha\sqrt{\log n}, so the order of growth is the same on all of (0,1/2)(0,1/2) and no jump occurs inside (0,1/2)(0,1/2); that is the accepted partial claim on [[problems/discrepancy/E0161/claims/2009_01_25_conlon_fox_sudakov|the Conlon--Fox--Sudakov page]]. Whether F(3)(n,0)F^{(3)}(n,0) is of smaller order is open: it inverts the two-color 33-uniform Ramsey function, known only between 2ck22^{ck^2} and 22ck2^{2^{ck}} (display (15) of [Er90b]), so it lies between order log⁡log⁡n\log\log n and order log⁡n\sqrt{\log n}, and the site's "only one jump" for t=3t=3 claims more than the sources prove. For general tt, Theorem 6.2 of [CFS10] gives F(t)(n,α)>c(log⁡n)ϵF^{(t)}(n,\alpha)>c(\log n)^{\epsilon} for every fixed α>0\alpha>0, with ϵ=ϵ(t,α)>0\epsilon=\epsilon(t,\alpha)>0 (p. 17 of the preprint; the site's unkeyed remark). That paper states the bound, not the jump, so it has no claim page. An observation made here: the stepping-up lower bound rt(k)>exp⁡t−2(ck)r_t(k)>\exp_{t-2}(ck) (display (16) of [Er90b]) gives F(t)(n,0)≪log⁡t−2nF^{(t)}(n,0)\ll\log_{t-2}n, which for every t≥4t\ge4 is of smaller order than (log⁡n)ϵ(\log n)^{\epsilon}, so for t≥4t\ge4 the order of growth jumps between α=0\alpha=0 and every α>0\alpha>0; neither source draws this consequence, and it is not recorded as a claim. Whether further jumps occur inside (0,1/2)(0,1/2) for t≥4t\ge4 is open: there the order is known only between (log⁡n)ϵ(\log n)^{\epsilon} and, for α\alpha near 1/21/2, (log⁡n)1/(t−1)(\log n)^{1/(t-1)}.

Scope. The search of 2026-10-07 covered the site's page and thread, Erdős's chapter [Er90b] and the two Conlon--Fox--Sudakov papers; a later result on the jump at 00 for t=3t=3 or on the range (0,1/2)(0,1/2) for t≥4t\ge4 may exist unrecorded.

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